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Old 11-10-2009, 08:41 PM
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It seems I will have to bury the cymbal for a longer amount of time than what I was originally planning on doing.
That's what I mentioned quite a few posts ago. It will take some time for the alloy to go through any appreciable reactions. If you are
looking for a dramatic difference, you will be looking at several years. This is metal we are talking about.
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Old 11-10-2009, 08:48 PM
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The whole thing of burying cymbals does sound a bit wacked you gotta admit, but who knows.
But no more so than a drummer who would actually keep a 22" AZCO swish for 25 years
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Old 11-10-2009, 10:04 PM
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I've known a few drummers that have buried a cymbal, and all have had a very similar result: not enough of a difference in sound to make it worth it. The best way to mellow out the cymbal a little is to use something that will chemically alter the bronze, like vinegar, ketchup, salt, or any number of things that create a quick-fix patina.
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Old 11-10-2009, 11:15 PM
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You know what will change the sound characteristics even more than burying them?

Answer: Playing them!

Seriously. Every time you hit a cymbal, there is a minute amount of "work hardening" that takes place.

I suppose burying a cymbal in soil that had a specific chemical composition -like acidic soil, for example, might affect the metal, too. But, who can wait that long to play a cymbal? I'd probably dig it up each week and check it -which would negate any potential effect. Then, I'm sure I would hypnotize myself into believing it made some kind of difference even though it probably wouldn't.

Changing the cymbals by actually playing them seems like a better idea to me.
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Old 11-10-2009, 11:43 PM
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You know what will change the sound characteristics even more than burying them?

Answer: Playing them!

Seriously. Every time you hit a cymbal, there is a minute amount of "work hardening" that takes place.

I suppose burying a cymbal in soil that had a specific chemical composition -like acidic soil, for example, might affect the metal, too. But, who can wait that long to play a cymbal? I'd probably dig it up each week and check it -which would negate any potential effect. Then, I'm sure I would hypnotize myself into believing it made some kind of difference even though it probably wouldn't.

Changing the cymbals by actually playing them seems like a better idea to me.

Or......buying one that fits the music and recording techniques could work as well......
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Old 11-10-2009, 11:45 PM
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This thread to me is ludicrous....its like when guitarists ask if slashing the speaker cones on their amp with a razor blade will make the amp sound better...........ummmmmm.......NO!
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Old 11-11-2009, 03:15 AM
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I've known a few drummers that have buried a cymbal, and all have had a very similar result: not enough of a difference in sound to make it worth it. The best way to mellow out the cymbal a little is to use something that will chemically alter the bronze, like vinegar, ketchup, salt, or any number of things that create a quick-fix patina.
Sweet, this is the kind of info I was looking for, thanks. I still love all the different opinions. Oh, my overheads AKG C414s and Neumann TLM49 room mic. I just want to point out, my other rides were great. I'm still on the fence. Ugggg.
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Old 11-11-2009, 03:18 AM
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This thread to me is ludicrous....its like when guitarists ask if slashing the speaker cones on their amp with a razor blade will make the amp sound better...........ummmmmm.......NO!
Where else can I ask this question? If anyone tried it, it would be here. Didn't Dave Davis slash his speaker in his amp for the guitar part in "You Really Got Me"?
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Old 11-11-2009, 07:00 AM
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No. He used knitting needles for that. Seriously.
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Old 11-11-2009, 09:19 AM
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No. He used knitting needles for that. Seriously.
Awesome!!!!
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