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Old 11-10-2009, 01:46 PM
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Don't think anyone here has done it themselves. I have a buddy here in town who did it with an A, and he liked the result. Although I hated to admit it to him...I liked the result too.

As I said, worse comes to worst, you can clean it off back to new afterwards...
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Old 11-10-2009, 02:52 PM
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Don't think anyone here has done it themselves. I have a buddy here in town who did it with an A, and he liked the result. Although I hated to admit it to him...I liked the result too.

As I said, worse comes to worst, you can clean it off back to new afterwards...
I think it would be a fun drum experiment to do. I will take the advice that I have been given on this board and record/take pictures/video the before and after of the cymbal. I will let science dictate if the results are favorable or not. My wife is on board, that's a plus. My soil is pretty hard, I wonder if that's a big deal.
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Old 11-10-2009, 03:24 PM
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Default Re: Bury a cymbal?

Sabian actually buried some of their artisian series cymbals and have recently "unearthed" them and have them up for sale. That was the first I'd heard of such....

http://www.sabian.com/EN/products/1of100_index.cfm
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Old 11-10-2009, 04:13 PM
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Sabian actually buried some of their artisian series cymbals and have recently "unearthed" them and have them up for sale. That was the first I'd heard of such....

http://www.sabian.com/EN/products/1of100_index.cfm
And it only costs you about $500 for the honor of having them bury it and then dig it up again instead of you.

For that price I'll bury it myself, thank you. I'm paying for a cymbal here, not the financial equivalent of a cemetery grave site plot.
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Old 11-10-2009, 04:49 PM
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Sabian actually buried some of their artisian series cymbals and have recently "unearthed" them and have them up for sale. That was the first I'd heard of such....

http://www.sabian.com/EN/products/1of100_index.cfm
Great link, that was the kind of information I was looking for. It seems I will have to bury the cymbal for a longer amount of time than what I was originally planning on doing.
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Old 11-10-2009, 05:01 PM
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Ok, maybe I'm not explaining myself...I did just that. I really like my K, but, under the microscope of recording, the cymbal is coming off a little harsh for my tastes. I have heard this "tale" and I was wondering if anyone has tried it.
If the cymbal is truly your dream cymbal, then you should be able to get it to sound on tape/HD as it does to you live. Perhaps you should look at the recording techniques being used instead of the cymbal......
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Old 11-10-2009, 05:17 PM
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If the cymbal is truly your dream cymbal, then you should be able to get it to sound on tape/HD as it does to you live. Perhaps you should look at the recording techniques being used instead of the cymbal......
Everything else I'm recording sounds great, I'm really pleased with what we're doing. This one ride cymbal is coming off a little harsh, compared to everything else I'm recording. We have tried 6 different ride cymbals. I love 5, and this one seems like a good candidate to "go in the ground" for some "earthing". I do not remember posting that this was my "dream" cymbal? I do like it for playing live, though. I started this thread to see if anyone had any experience, good or bad, with burying a cymbal. Have you tried doing this?
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Old 11-10-2009, 05:25 PM
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Everything else I'm recording sounds great, I'm really pleased with what we're doing. This one ride cymbal is coming off a little harsh, compared to everything else I'm recording. We have tried 6 different ride cymbals. I love 5, and this one seems like a good candidate to "go in the ground" for some "earthing". I do not remember posting that this was my "dream" cymbal? I do like it for playing live, though. I started this thread to see if anyone had any experience, good or bad, with burying a cymbal. Have you tried doing this?
Nope, I don't like dirty cymbals.. I was just going off the reply you made that you picked out this cymbal for the way it sounds, if you can't get it to translate to tape/HD, then perhaps its the recording technique, not the cymbal. Don't take it personally, recording/engineering is unique skill set and not everyone can do it. If you are paying someone to record you, then I'd start with them, If you are recording yourself, well, I'd experiment more with recording technique/ mic placement before burying a $400 cymbal. If you like the way it sounds to your ears, you should be able to get that translated to whatever media you are recording to.... that's all

Hell, try a stick with a broader tip...

Here's the reply I am referring to:

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Ok, maybe I'm not explaining myself...I did just that. I really like my K, but, under the microscope of recording, the cymbal is coming off a little harsh for my tastes. I have heard this "tale" and I was wondering if anyone has tried it.
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Old 11-10-2009, 05:47 PM
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Nope, I don't like dirty cymbals.. I was just going off the reply you made that you picked out this cymbal for the way it sounds, if you can't get it to translate to tape/HD, then perhaps its the recording technique, not the cymbal. Don't take it personally, recording/engineering is unique skill set and not everyone can do it. If you are paying someone to record you, then I'd start with them, If you are recording yourself, well, I'd experiment more with recording technique/ mic placement before burying a $400 cymbal. If you like the way it sounds to your ears, you should be able to get that translated to whatever media you are recording to.... that's all

Hell, try a stick with a broader tip...

Here's the reply I am referring to:
I'm not recording the sessions, we have a professional engineer running the sessions. Again, everything sounds great, I can't believe how great my drums sound. We have tried a few rides (6) and this one is recording a little harsh. It's not a huge thing, but, I can hear it. I believe why I like this cymbal in a live situation might be why it's coming off a little harsh in a recording environment. I joked with the engineer that maybe we should bury the cymbal to get the overtones out. Then, in the last week I have been asking all my drum friends if they had tried burying a cymbal. Not one has tried it. My wife thought it would be a good idea to ask this site, because, if anyone has tried it, it would be here. I started the thread to see if someone
a. Has buried a cymbal and had great results
b. Has buried a cymbal and had lousy results
c. has buried a cymbal and had no results at all
Then, I would make a decision to take the time to bury a cymbal. I like your ideas, but...we have already troubled shooted (is that a word?) a great deal. You seem really against burying a cymbal, do you have any friends that have tried this?
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My first kit, 1983 Ludwig Rocker? (it has the classic lugs and 4ply maple shell) 22,12,13,16 ..now in black oyster pearl. I still have it
Stop Sign USA Gretsch (80's), black nitron jasper shell 22,12,13,16
1995 Fibes Austin,Texas Badge (original owner) 22,10,12,16,18 in natural wood
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Old 11-10-2009, 07:48 PM
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I have never tried this but have noticed a big difference in a few cymbals after they've aged. A 22" AZCO swish sounded way different after 25 years, and a new stamp K I bought 30 years ago is just starting to sound right!

The whole thing of burying cymbals does sound a bit wacked you gotta admit, but who knows.

I would be interested in knowing what mics were used as overheads that resulted in the harsh sound. From my thinking, if they sounded great when you played them but sounded harsh when you listened to playback the problem is in the chain somewhere - room acoustics (is there glass in a drum booth that makes the sound harsh?), stick used or more commonly the mics themselves.

My call is that the mics weren't right, plus headphones make drummers play like they're holding hammers, the same as people talk loud when they're wearing headphones.
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