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Old 07-26-2010, 06:36 PM
Ludwig-dude Ludwig-dude is offline
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Mitch's bass drums on his were pretty shallow, 24x12"s?
Nope....14x26's. The double sets of Rogers spurs give the illusion of a drum more shallow than it actually is.
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Old 07-27-2010, 05:22 PM
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Nope....14x26's. The double sets of Rogers spurs give the illusion of a drum more shallow than it actually is.
Wow, never knew that. And all that time was thinking they were 24x12's for some reason...
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Old 07-27-2010, 09:46 PM
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Here's some of the Woodstock DVD, second disc "A Second Look" as I mentioned a while back. Good shots of Mitch on the single bass version of his Black Panthers

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Old 10-22-2010, 02:24 PM
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Hello,
Its funny that you mention the Black Panther Kit.
Guitar Center in Totowa N.J. has one for sale in great condition.
I was amazed because i never seen one before in person or in the old Ludwig catalogs.
Pretty cool kit!!!!
Jerry
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Old 11-12-2010, 11:22 PM
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What size kit was it?
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Old 11-13-2010, 08:08 AM
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Nice topic, Ludwig-dude, although I think there was no association whatsoever with the Black Panther political party and the naming of the Ludwig finish Black panther. Some citrus mods have indeed been found with the black panther finish on them, but many, many more black panther drums are out there without another finish. They probably just were faced with the orders for the Black panther drums and looking at the citrus drums that were collecting dust and just put the black panther wrap on them and sent them on their way.

Black panther is a fairly common color and it is very durable. It definitely looks great on the drums when cleaned up--it's a low-maintenance color--and I like the contrast with the chrome hardware.
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Old 11-13-2010, 08:16 AM
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It may have been common 40 yrs ago, but you will rarely see any black panther on ebay. I have a saved search on ebay and rarely see one. See if you can find a black panther snare. I bet you cant! LOL


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Nice topic, Ludwig-dude, although I think there was no association whatsoever with the Black Panther political party and the naming of the Ludwig finish Black panther. Some citrus mods have indeed been found with the black panther finish on them, but many, many more black panther drums are out there without another finish. They probably just were faced with the orders for the Black panther drums and looking at the citrus drums that were collecting dust and just put the black panther wrap on them and sent them on their way.

Black panther is a fairly common color and it is very durable. It definitely looks great on the drums when cleaned up--it's a low-maintenance color--and I like the contrast with the chrome hardware.
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1972 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-(14 impostor)BlackPanther "SOLD"
1964 Ludwig Oyster Black Pearl 22-12-13-16-14Supra "SOLD"
1969 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14 Citrus Mod "SOLD"
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Old 11-13-2010, 09:11 AM
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It may have been common 40 yrs ago, but you will rarely see any black panther on ebay. I have a saved search on ebay and rarely see one. See if you can find a black panther snare. I bet you cant! LOL
I found one once on Ebay, it was a 15" concert snare.....and yes, I got outbid on it. I believe one of our own here on the forum currently owns it?

Haven't found one since......
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Old 11-13-2010, 11:05 AM
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Black panther is a fairly common color and it is very durable. It definitely looks great on the drums when cleaned up--it's a low-maintenance color--and I like the contrast with the chrome hardware.
Actually, it is a very rare color these days. You do see more of these pop up than the mod colors, but they are rare. As far as low maintenance.....I'm not so sure you've owned a set before. I've owned two different kits, one in Jazzette sizes that I regrettably sold many years ago, and one in Hollywood sizes that I sold at the same time as the Jazzette, but was able to repurchase a few years ago, and those were far from low maintenance. You have to be ver carefull about scratches and gouges, it does both very easily. Also, they seem to collect dust easier in the grain pattern that a regular wrap finish. So there is constant cleaning required. As I said, far from low maintenance.

And as far as the Black Panther association......it was speculation on my part, but it fits with the times, much like the mod and psychadelic colors did.
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Old 11-13-2010, 01:33 PM
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Default Re: The Ludwig Black Panther Info Thread...

Makes sense to me. It appears that Ludwig was being very creative in keeping up with the trends of those days. it was the black Oyster pearl that catapulted Ludwig to its business explosion, after Ringo bought a set and started playing them. Everyone had to have a Ludwig kit. I guess ludwig had plenty of money to experiment on new fads and ideas. They covered up the mod orange with BP wrap cause they weren't selling. How ironic, for one of the worst selling wraps back then to be so sought after now. It's so cool for retro trends to become so popular again.

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Actually, it is a very rare color these days. You do see more of these pop up than the mod colors, but they are rare. As far as low maintenance.....I'm not so sure you've owned a set before. I've owned two different kits, one in Jazzette sizes that I regrettably sold many years ago, and one in Hollywood sizes that I sold at the same time as the Jazzette, but was able to repurchase a few years ago, and those were far from low maintenance. You have to be ver carefull about scratches and gouges, it does both very easily. Also, they seem to collect dust easier in the grain pattern that a regular wrap finish. So there is constant cleaning required. As I said, far from low maintenance.

And as far as the Black Panther association......it was speculation on my part, but it fits with the times, much like the mod and psychadelic colors did.
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1960's SONOR 12-16-20-14 blue slate pearl
1968 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14Sky blue P
1972 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14BlueVistalite
1972 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-(14 impostor)BlackPanther "SOLD"
1964 Ludwig Oyster Black Pearl 22-12-13-16-14Supra "SOLD"
1969 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14 Citrus Mod "SOLD"
1969 LUDWIG Sexto-Plus 8-1 0-12-13-14-15-16-20-20-14 Silver Sparkle
60's Majestic Delux 12-13-16-22-14 red pearl
2009 Homemade Kids 8-10-13-16-12 Orange Sparkle
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Don't tell my wife!
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