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Old 07-27-2019, 06:40 PM
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Digging through the archives here your measurements are consistent with Ludwig. The lug and leg mount impressions also imply Ludwig. There is even mention of the non-centered badge/vent hole being used during various eras. What do the Ludwig experts think?
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Old 07-28-2019, 10:59 AM
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Old 07-28-2019, 12:02 PM
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Old 07-28-2019, 01:02 PM
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The clear interior and badge placement are telling. The lack of wrap in the scarf joint is interesting. Shouldn't all pre '68 Ludwigs have the wrap into the scarf joint? Is it possible this shell is a newer "mahogany legacy" series?
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Old 07-31-2019, 11:41 AM
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Looks Ludwig to me. Like you mentioned...scarf joint is there. Hardware impressions on the old wrap looked Ludwig. The muffler hole looked Ludwig. Someone may have applied shellac on the interior possibly. Even though Ludwig had the center badge hole placement in the early 60's and up to mid '65, there were some very early 60's that had the badge up top like they later went to in mid '65. They might have even been late 50's shells. WFL Kurt and I have discussed these in the past. But those particular drums usually have the clipper style legs that are common on the Club Date shells and 50's/early 60's Classic shells.
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Old 07-31-2019, 12:11 PM
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Thank you sir. If estimation is early 60's shouldn't there be remnants of wrap in the scarf joint? OP and pictures say there isn't. Possible this shell was not wrapped originally?
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Old 07-31-2019, 05:10 PM
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Exterior of the shell certainly appears to have been wrapped at one time. I have a mahogany interior/exterior 12" Club Date tom in which the wrap was removed and pulled from the scarf joint instead of trimming the wrap at the edge of the shell. I bought it like this.
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Old 07-31-2019, 06:40 PM
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Exterior of the shell certainly appears to have been wrapped at one time. I have a mahogany interior/exterior 12" Club Date tom in which the wrap was removed and pulled from the scarf joint instead of trimming the wrap at the edge of the shell. I bought it like this.
How do you pull the wrap from the scarf joint without damaging the outer ply? Do you re-glue the edge where the wrap was removed from the joint? I have not had the heads off our 1962 Super Classics for a couple of years, and don't recall how far the wrap is lapped into the outer ply.
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Old 07-31-2019, 10:25 PM
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Mark- I would assume that it would have to be separated like you mention. Not something that I would ever attempt for sure.

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Old 08-01-2019, 01:00 AM
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Mark- I would assume that it would have to be separated like you mention. Not something that I would ever attempt for sure.

Mike
Hobbs shows an image of the scarf joint on his drum. I looked at it magnified and I don't see how the original wrap could have been removed so cleanly if lapped under the scarf joint. I wonder whether its likely someone would have taken the time to remove the original lapped wrap so cleanly from the joint, seal the inside of the shell with shellac and then proceed to recover it with that cheap looking black wrap. If the original wrap had not been lapped into the scarf joint, what are the odds this drum is from from late WFL to early '60s Ludwig period as was suggested? Is it possible it was just a higher quality MIJ shell with Ludwig look alike hardware mounted? With only outlines and no actual hardware can we be certain that those were real Ludwig lugs? You know far more about Ludwig shells than I do, but something about this one bothers me.
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