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Old 08-02-2014, 11:15 PM
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Default Re: Are these "60's "New Beat Zildjian hats ?

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Ii would appear that the first generation New Beats had just an ink stamp on top of the top cymbal and one on the bottom of the bottom cymbal . This would make perfect sense , no ?
Yes, because it follows the pattern for simple ink stamps which Avedis cymbals have had since way back in the Trans stamp days (at least I think it is back to early 1950s -- must double check). Those ink stamps are mostly long gone due to cleaning, but occasionally I've seen photos of mint cymbals which still have them.

Sorry If I've cluttered up a 60s New Beat thread with my whole collection of how the ink changes over the decades, but I thought I should take the time to get my thoughts in order and get the examples out there.
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Old 08-03-2014, 01:13 AM
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Default Re: Are these "60's "New Beat Zildjian hats ?

I for one appreciate your input and information / knowledge on the subject . Keep posting !
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Old 08-03-2014, 03:13 AM
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Yes, because it follows the pattern for simple ink stamps which Avedis cymbals have had since way back in the Trans stamp days (at least I think it is back to early 1950s -- must double check). Those ink stamps are mostly long gone due to cleaning, but occasionally I've seen photos of mint cymbals which still have them.

Sorry If I've cluttered up a 60s New Beat thread with my whole collection of how the ink changes over the decades, but I thought I should take the time to get my thoughts in order and get the examples out there.
Cymbals just arrived .

Get this : top is 1030 grams and bottom is 1200 grams . Here are pics of the stamps . Notice ink stamp lettering is slightly different , the bottom being slightly taller with hardly any space between the letters ) . Both cymbals have the 60's etched stamp in them ( with 3 dots under Arabic symbols ) . On the heavy side , huh ? Mystery set ?
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Old 08-03-2014, 04:20 AM
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Cymbals just arrived .

Get this : top is 1030 grams and bottom is 1200 grams . [...] Both cymbals have the 60's etched stamp in them ( with 3 dots under Arabic symbols ) . On the heavy side , huh ? Mystery set ?
FWIW, I don't think your New Beats are an early specimen. I have a pair of 1960s NBs (see http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/show...light=new+beat). The individual cymbals weigh in at c. 800 and 1200 grams respectively, which is rather typical of early 1960s NBs, as far as I can remember. The weight difference between your top and bottom is too small, I'd say, to be from the 1960s, more specifically, the top hat seems too heavy.

Also, I don't think your hats look like they are from the 1960s. To me, they look too shiny and much newer than any 1960s NBs I've seen.

Lastly, what do you mean by "the 1960s etched stamp"? The 1960s stamp was not etched (laser?), but stamped.

Again, this is only my opinion and I may well be completely wrong in believing that your NBs are not from the 1960s.

Have you asked the seller about how old these hats may be?

/Magnus
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Old 08-03-2014, 04:50 AM
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Pardon my use of the word " etched " - my mistake .

From info I've read I gathered that the Zildjian stamp from the ( mid ? ) 60's included 3 dots above one of the Arabic cymbals . Also , from the 70's the ink stamps were not straight like mine are but curved .

As for the weights , I got this data re: 60's New Beats from a Japanese site . This shows the different weights they have discovered . Mine are close to the heaviest ones .

60' NewBeat 778g : 1,912g 134g 三浦所有
60' NewBeat 789g : 1,309g 520g
60' NewBeat 797g : 1,244g 447g
60' NewBeat 810g : 1,200g 390g
60' NewBeat 818g : 1,396g 578g
60' NewBeat 824g : 1,938g 114g
60' NewBeat 840g : 1,240g 400g
60' NewBeat 844g : 1,188g 354g
60' NewBeat 850g : 1,232g 382g
60' NewBeat 861g : 1,318g 457g
60' NewBeat 876g : 1,224g 348g
60' NewBeat 878g : 1,068g 190g
60' NewBeat 878g : 1,234g 356g
60' NewBeat 878g : 1,328g 450g
60' NewBeat 902g : 1,264g 362g
60' NewBeat 912g : 1,114g 202g
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right figure is weight differential , obviously .
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Old 08-03-2014, 04:58 AM
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All info I've read says this is the trademark stamp for the mid 60's . Both my cymbals have this exact stamp .
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Old 08-03-2014, 05:09 AM
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This seller is an expert on vintage . These 60's New Beats are almost to mine in weight .
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Old 08-03-2014, 05:10 AM
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904/1278 weight .
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Old 08-03-2014, 09:43 AM
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My thoughts from memory are all ink stamps were from late 60's on maybe 70's on to best of my recollection I have alwYs know about the heavy bottom hats as I have always been pairing them up that way to me some of the best sounding hats ...
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