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Old 02-15-2014, 11:53 AM
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Default Re: Could this 20" ride no-badge be an old K?

Could it be a Zilco? Some of those had very light stamps that conceivably could be sanded out.
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Old 02-15-2014, 12:15 PM
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Default Re: Could this 20" ride no-badge be an old K?

funny i was just looking at a very similar pie, in crestwood il,this morning and I could not see a stamp either, but it could b a, A but i don't think 50's...
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Old 02-15-2014, 06:55 PM
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Maybe it is possible that it had a stamp at one time before someone scraped the sh*t out of it?
That, or its an A Zildjian from the late 1970s where the stamp is so faint you can't see it or it'll rub off after a few cleanings.
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Old 02-15-2014, 08:03 PM
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That, or its an A Zildjian from the late 1970s where the stamp is so faint you can't see it or it'll rub off after a few cleanings.
Not 1970s.

The hammering on this cymbal from mbira is a giveaway that it is not a 70s Avedis Zildjian. Drumaholic told you, but he didn't include all his reasoning. But I'm very happy with his judgement.

I think we are on the wrong track with this idea that heavy polishing or abrasive cleaning at the level that cymbal shows could remove all traces of a stamp. I'm not seeing complete and utter destruction. Just some superficial scratching. I can't be sure, but it seems more likely to me that it just didn't get a stamp at the factory.

I've never seen a 1970s stamp which would "rub off after a few cleanings". But then I haven't seen that many Avedis cymbals, and I've cleaned many fewer than that. Has it actually happened to you redneckdrum? Using what sort of cleaner?
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Old 02-15-2014, 11:47 PM
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mbira are you in crestwood il
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Old 02-16-2014, 10:00 AM
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i believe i was there on thurs ,and saw this cymbal. It was more silver like a standard and if this is Steve the guy who just sold the kit with jazzfest bdp foir 700.00 , and i bought 2 pair of hats a set of 70's and early 60's for 60 a pair ty
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Old 02-16-2014, 10:01 AM
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mbira are you in crestwood il
Nope, I am in Vermont.
To respond to others; there are places where the cymbal looks like it was scrubbed with coarse sandpaper but I agree that one would expect to see some bit of the stamp still present.
When i put this cymbal side by side with my 50's A hollow stamp 22", and my (I think) 50's A hihat (with the outer edges of the stamp deeper) I would never guess they were closely related. Though I admit that is about the extent of the 50's A's i have seen so I trust others opinions who are more experienced.
It looks to me that the hammering shows more on top of this cymbal than my other 50"s. Can anyone (Drumaholic?) post a photo of a 50's A that closely resembles this one? That would help me learn what to look for and all. It seems that there might be some variation over 10 years in hammering and lathing?
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Old 02-16-2014, 12:08 PM
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Default Re: Could this 20" ride no-badge be an old K?

so i saw one just like it thats 2 with no stamp more silver color, lead me to believe standard or paiste entry level
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Old 02-16-2014, 01:04 PM
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I'm agreeing with drumaholic....50s...
But the sanding wasn't to remove any ink (late 70s/80)..the lathing isn't 70s at all..
But lots people on cymbalholic are talking about sanding down there Cyms to acheieve different sounds..
Since ride Cyms are usually thicker then most,...I'm thinking there's yr answer..
This truely looks like a late 50s ride CYM....most likely a small stamp...
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Old 02-16-2014, 09:14 PM
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It looks to me that the hammering shows more on top of this cymbal than my other 50"s. Can anyone (Drumaholic?) post a photo of a 50's A that closely resembles this one? That would help me learn what to look for and all. It seems that there might be some variation over 10 years in hammering and lathing?

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