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Old 09-03-2011, 10:18 PM
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Deep Southern Illinois.
O.K., not my neck of the woods then.

But here's one:

http://www.maxwelldrums.com/zildjian...0g-p-4790.html
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Old 09-03-2011, 10:21 PM
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Dude- gotta love the bells on those old, big Zilly's!!!!

Yeah- I was able to go on a nice holiday with the money I sold my 30"-er...
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Old 09-04-2011, 05:59 AM
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I have a 26" Transition cymbal, 40/50s.
Big, loud, wobbly. Its a monster for sure :-)
I think mine is medium thin in weight. Perfect for my bluesband.
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Old 09-04-2011, 03:42 PM
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Hey Ringo any idea on the actual weight of your cymbal?

Gary.
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Old 09-04-2011, 05:52 PM
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Default Re: Zildjian 26" ride

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Any of you guys have one or played one?. I'd love to snag one from the 50-60's
The last time Zildjian made 26" or larger rides was in the 1950's. The last remaing stock was sold in the mid 1990's. So if you find one, regardless of stamps, it was made in the 50's or earlier.
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Old 09-05-2011, 01:44 PM
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The last time Zildjian made 26" or larger rides was in the 1950's. The last remaing stock was sold in the mid 1990's. So if you find one, regardless of stamps, it was made in the 50's or earlier.
And how do you know that with certainty?

You made two assertions in two different threads here. They are:

1. No cymbals were made in 26" diameter (or by inference any other larger sizes) later than the 1950's, and

2.The A. Zildjian & Cie. trademark was not used until 1968.

So just for the sake of arguement, what if I presented you with a cymbal with the following characterists:

This cymbal would measure 26" or greater, in additon had the A. Zildjian & Cie. trademark as well.

If faced with with such a case:


I think that it should be obvious that both of these assertions would be mutually exclusive and irreconcilable if found within the same cymbal. So then my question is:

Which one of your assertions would you be prepared to abandon?

Or would would you perhaps abandon both?

Hint: Neither would be the wrong answer.
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Old 09-05-2011, 04:31 PM
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Default Re: Zildjian 26" ride

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And how do you know that with certainty?
Yes. The information I supplied was from Zildjian.

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You made two assertions in two different threads here. They are:

1. No cymbals were made in 26" diameter (or by inference any other larger sizes) later than the 1950's, and

2.The A. Zildjian & Cie. trademark was not used until 1968.

So just for the sake of arguement, what if I presented you with a cymbal with the following characterists:

This cymbal would measure 26" or greater, in additon had the A. Zildjian & Cie. trademark as well.

If faced with with such a case:


I think that it should be obvious that both of these assertions would be mutually exclusive and irreconcilable if found within the same cymbal.
There are examples of 26 and larger Zildjians with various stamps and also from the late 70s-90s, ink logos and stamps from the period. I have seen examples 80s Zildjian black logos on 26 and larger Zildjians. But they were made in the 50s.

How can this be? The cymbals were made in the 1950s and stored in inventory. Until the early 1980s, Zildjians were not selected and stamped until an order came in. Therefore, they were stamped in the era they were shipped, not when they were made and had the stamps of the current period (i.e, a cymbal ordered in the 70s would have a 70s stamp). So, yes a 26 A. Zildjian made in the 1950s could have any stamp Zildjian used from the early 50s to the mid 90s.

Today, Zildjians are tested and engraved when they are made, so we do not have as many stamp anomalies as in the past.
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Old 09-06-2011, 11:59 PM
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Yes. The information I supplied was from Zildjian.



There are examples of 26 and larger Zildjians with various stamps and also from the late 70s-90s, ink logos and stamps from the period. I have seen examples 80s Zildjian black logos on 26 and larger Zildjians. But they were made in the 50s.

How can this be? The cymbals were made in the 1950s and stored in inventory. Until the early 1980s, Zildjians were not selected and stamped until an order came in. Therefore, they were stamped in the era they were shipped, not when they were made and had the stamps of the current period (i.e, a cymbal ordered in the 70s would have a 70s stamp). So, yes a 26 A. Zildjian made in the 1950s could have any stamp Zildjian used from the early 50s to the mid 90s.

Today, Zildjians are tested and engraved when they are made, so we do not have as many stamp anomalies as in the past.
Then you need to explain how it was that I bought two 26" Zildjian's in the mid 1980's both at the same time yet with 2 different trademarks.

And the trademarks were late 1950's and early 1960's. And in addition to that, these two cymbals showed manufacturing characteristics which are unique to each period. For example, the late 50's cymbal widely spaced hammering rows on the topside, in addition to the bottom hammering. This I recognize as typical mid to late 1950's characteristics. But the early 1960's cymbal had no topside hammering at all. This agrees with what I would expect to see, perfectly consistent with what's expected for the 1960's. The bell designs were also different unique to each of their each of their respective eras.

Because I saw the evidence first hand, I don't buy the idea. And to me it doesn't matter what Zildjian says. They've said a lot of things, some of which didn't prove to be based on fact.
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Old 09-07-2011, 08:25 PM
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Then you need to explain how it was that I bought two 26" Zildjian's in the mid 1980's both at the same time yet with 2 different trademarks.

And the trademarks were late 1950's and early 1960's. And in addition to that, these two cymbals showed manufacturing characteristics which are unique to each period. For example, the late 50's cymbal widely spaced hammering rows on the topside, in addition to the bottom hammering. This I recognize as typical mid to late 1950's characteristics. But the early 1960's cymbal had no topside hammering at all. This agrees with what I would expect to see, perfectly consistent with what's expected for the 1960's. The bell designs were also different unique to each of their each of their respective eras.

Because I saw the evidence first hand, I don't buy the idea. And to me it doesn't matter what Zildjian says. They've said a lot of things, some of which didn't prove to be based on fact.

This was the Question and Answer from the Ask Zildjian section on the old Zildjian site-


3/3/2008 4:42:57 PM
William

Q : During what time period were 26" rides available from Zildjian?

A : Ride cymbal shaping dies that were capable of producing cymbals up to 31" became available around the mid 1940's. The great bandleader Woody Herman insisted that his drummers always used a 28" ride cymbal and the band continues to use that sized ride cymbal today. The last renditions of these large cymbals were made in 1952 and many of those cymbals remained in stock until the mid 90's when that stock was finally depleted. Due to the fact that those large shaping dies no longer exist, there are no immediate plans to make those extra large cymbals again.

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Old 09-07-2011, 11:16 PM
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Default Re: Zildjian 26" ride

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This was the Question and Answer from the Ask Zildjian section on the old Zildjian site-


3/3/2008 4:42:57 PM
William

Q : During what time period were 26" rides available from Zildjian?

A : Ride cymbal shaping dies that were capable of producing cymbals up to 31" became available around the mid 1940's. The great bandleader Woody Herman insisted that his drummers always used a 28" ride cymbal and the band continues to use that sized ride cymbal today. The last renditions of these large cymbals were made in 1952 and many of those cymbals remained in stock until the mid 90's when that stock was finally depleted. Due to the fact that those large shaping dies no longer exist, there are no immediate plans to make those extra large cymbals again.

I've seen many things from Zildjian on their question answer site and elsewhere that don't square with the facts, so I'm not surprised we have another to add to the list.

They produced two 32" cymbals for their 375th anniversary which I personally saw. That was 1998. I wonder how their question and answer site would spin that one?

You see, the problem here is that you take everything that Zildjian puts out as the gospell truth.

I don't.
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