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Old 08-31-2009, 04:04 PM
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It would bee nice if this individual put some up for sale, and if he bought them in '79 he may be getting a bit old so perhaps this will come to pass in the not too distant future. If he really has such a large collection though, he would have to auction them only a few at a time. Could you imagine what would happen to the price of Old Ks if he put 75 or 100 up for auction in a period of a few weeks with more to come? The prices would stay stable at first but would quickly start to drop.

I would guess if he had a few hundred cymbals and auctioned them off over a 6 month period, the price would probably fall to less then 50% of what they average now. Of course, once they were all sold, prices would start to rise again. Does this individual actually play any of them?
I don't think he's about to do anything like that. Primarily because he'd be working against his own best interest in doing something like that. But he does let a few dribble out from time to time. He sold 2 to Steve Maxwell. And a drummer that I know bought some too. He went there and said "bring out anything that you're willing to part with". On his first trip he had his choice of 5 - 22" new stamps. He came back with one 22" new stamp that was one of the best I've heard yet. Then he went back about a year later and came back with a 20" new stamp and another 22" both of which are killer.
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Old 08-31-2009, 11:27 PM
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Who is the "he" of the "them" ...?
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Old 09-01-2009, 03:21 AM
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It is interesting that these two cymbols were stored in original wrapping paper and inside a box, yet they show some patina vs. the other two brand new looking cymbols that didnt show any patina. Of course the storage of the latter cymbols was a highly debated event with no real conclusions, although it would appear from these two cymbols with the light patina that the "someone just put em in a closet and forgot about 'em" explanation does not hold water now. Good stuff in this thread to say the least.



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Old 09-01-2009, 03:47 AM
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I believe the ink stamp that started in the 70's was the Zildjian logo ink stamp. The first would have been the hollow logo Zildjian ink stamp on the bottom of the cymbal. In the 80's it appeared as a solid logo on top and bottom.

can anyone concur?

I own a pair of hollow logo hihats that have a "new beat top" and "new beat bottom" stamped on them as well.

also see.....http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=8050
I read that it switched from the hollow stamped logo to solid in the early 80's because of MTV and Zildjian making they're logo more visable for advertisement. As far as the untarnished vintage cymbals, I'm not goin' there. What if you covered 'em in Vasoline and wiped it off 40 years later?

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Old 09-01-2009, 12:49 PM
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It is interesting that these two cymbols were stored in original wrapping paper and inside a box, yet they show some patina vs. the other two brand new looking cymbols that didnt show any patina. Of course the storage of the latter cymbols was a highly debated event with no real conclusions, although it would appear from these two cymbols with the light patina that the "someone just put em in a closet and forgot about 'em" explanation does not hold water now. Good stuff in this thread to say the least.



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What you saw there were lots on fingerprints from Zildjian people glomming
their hands all over them while they studied them. The others I showed didn't get that treatment.
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Old 09-01-2009, 06:11 PM
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Ahhhhhh. I guess the angle of the pictures was way different too. The shiny ones were closeups whereas these pics are more of an obtuse angle and further away leaving light to do it's thing!!

I guess my whole fascination with patina lately is this. They use entimology, a known variable for dating death, in forensics. If a cymbals patina could be dialed in to some kind of known scale or something it would make for easier dating. Afterall, it is a chemical reaction that could probably be tested and assigned a value for a given amount of time passed. Of course this may be totally off the wall too. I guess it is just how my nutty mind works!!
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Old 09-01-2009, 06:58 PM
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Ahhhhhh. I guess the angle of the pictures was way different too. The shiny ones were closeups whereas these pics are more of an obtuse angle and further away leaving light to do it's thing!!

I guess my whole fascination with patina lately is this. They use entimology, a known variable for dating death, in forensics. If a cymbals patina could be dialed in to some kind of known scale or something it would make for easier dating. Afterall, it is a chemical reaction that could probably be tested and assigned a value for a given amount of time passed. Of course this may be totally off the wall too. I guess it is just how my nutty mind works!!
That I'm afraid would be impossible. The amount and type of patina is a function of the environment that the cymbal is in. Different environments cause different degrees of patina build-up during the same time period. Also the color of the patina varies as well. I have about 30 old cymbals and the color of the patina is different on each one.

As an example:

A cymbal that spends its life near a salt water environment can developed what may look like a 60 year old patina in less than half that time. I've personally seen proof of that. So for now at least, the most reliable method for dating cymbals is by trademark type.
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Old 11-27-2012, 10:16 PM
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I'll bet bobody's here's ever seen one of these ink stamps on an A:

Drumaholic - I'm a newbie here and this is my first post so hope all goes well! You made this post with the picture but I don't see where you ever continued it. I have a hollow logo with a stamp like this on the underside - what is it's significance?
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Old 11-30-2012, 03:36 PM
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Drumaholic - I'm a newbie here and this is my first post so hope all goes well! You made this post with the picture but I don't see where you ever continued it. I have a hollow logo with a stamp like this on the underside - what is it's significance?
This ink stamp is what all the European issued A's got. This was applied onto the backside.
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