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Old 02-22-2015, 11:15 AM
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Default What's the trick to get your hats to chick?!

Been meaning to pose this question for a few weeks, might seem kind of silly but I'm wondering what the guru's might have to say regarding hi-hat 'chick'.

Having a issue of my hats sometimes chicking really well and sometimes not.

Currently I'm using a black label Paiste 2002 Sound Edge bottom and switching out the top with various combinations. Bought the orphan SE bottom specifically to avoid air trapping which causes the no chick sound.

Tilter screw is slightly tilted and I typically use about an 1'' of hat space.

Stand currently in use is just a Tama Road Pro.

Starting to think it's just my hats as when I put my 13'' K/Z combo hats on any stand with or without tilting I get a chick no matter what but those hats are just too bright with the Dyno Z monster bottom
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Old 02-22-2015, 11:19 AM
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Default Re: What's the trick to get your hats to chick?!

adjust the bottom screw so there is a little angle when the hit.
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Old 02-22-2015, 12:24 PM
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Default Re: What's the trick to get your hats to chick?!

Weight diff should @ eg,.700g top to a 1100 bottom..
Crimped edges for AIR to escape & adjust the level screw (as mentioned)
So the bottom sits slightly UNlevel...dwn towards you...(if possible)
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Old 02-22-2015, 01:24 PM
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Default Re: What's the trick to get your hats to chick?!

Good topic this one is. I have about 1.5-2" space between the hats. Gives a bit more ooommph to the chick for me. I keep the top cymbal pretty loose on the clutch. I never really tilt the bottom cymbal either. Interested to see what everyone thinks. I know some of the footboard tension settings have given me different results also.
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Old 02-22-2015, 03:21 PM
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Default Re: What's the trick to get your hats to chick?!

Differently sized hats can help too. I like using a 14 over 13.
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Old 02-22-2015, 03:37 PM
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Default Re: What's the trick to get your hats to chick?!

The weight could very well be the problem because it sounds like you have the bottom cymbal angled and have enough gap..

The only other part would be to increase the distance between the cymbals to 1.5" and have the top cymbal adjusted super loose on the clutch.

Were the Blk Label 2002s from the 70s thinner and lighter wt. than what they make today?
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Old 02-22-2015, 04:58 PM
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Default Re: What's the trick to get your hats to chick?!

I have always had great success with the above, loose top hat slightly, lighter weight top hat, and angle adjustment with bottom tilt screw up about 3/8 of inch
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Old 02-22-2015, 08:03 PM
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Default Re: What's the trick to get your hats to chick?!

Thanks for tips so far guys!

Just got back from some swing big band practice and having the bottom tilted more than usual and using about 1 1/2'' of space seemed to do the trick until the clutch started to loosen up causing the air to trap. Seems like I have to my top hat really tight between felts to chick enough for me

Slingalud, I thought black label 2002's were newer than the red labels. Just did some research and my 6 digit serial on my Sound Edge black label 2002 seems to be from 1977.
It weighs 1048 grams and my top hats that I mix over the top of this bottom just range from 750-900 or so, would have to check each top weight. So the ratio might not always be good enough to allow for a better chick as Rims/Skins noted above.

Poppies, I read somewhere that Max Roach would use a 13'' under a 14'' so for awhile I was using my 13'' Dyno Z under my range of tops but again my only 13'' bottom is just a super heavy bright cymbal. I realize darker hats probably won't ever really have a chick that will cut through but I've heard recordings of cats using dark sounding hats with decent sounding chicks. I don't think I ever tried using my 13'' K top under any 14's though, hmm
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Old 02-22-2015, 09:02 PM
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Default Re: What's the trick to get your hats to chick?!

No Black labled paiste 2002's are the originals red lettered are 1982 up till now except for the reissues that were out in 2002, Do you have your bottom hihat cymbal hi hat stand tilter adjusted correctly?
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Old 02-23-2015, 01:10 AM
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Default Re: What's the trick to get your hats to chick?!

Sounds like you have Killer HH cymbals with perfect weight ratios..
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