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Old 10-28-2019, 10:31 PM
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Zenstat's post, first link, third row, fourth row.
The 3rd and 4th rows all appear to be re-lathed and hand hammered 60's A's I don't really care how they look, I do care how they sound though. But with no sound files I would pass. Sound files are not a guaranty of anything of course, but they at least give you a starting point.
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Old 10-28-2019, 11:49 PM
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As Drumaholic pointed out there are sound files but they are very easy to miss. Which is how I missed them the first time. Some of the Reverb ads do say listen to the audio link below (a hint) but many ads don't and what they mean by below isn't clear. Classic design mistake. I wouldn't be interested in a Spizzichino at $2500 if there was no sound file and there is no hint the audio it is there unless you know.

https://reverb.com/item/25392287-spi...e-cymbal-1950g

Scroll down to a control/section called Audio (below Shop Policies) and click on it. A SoundCloud player will appear. You can play it there, and there is also a direct SoundCloud direct link.

For one of those re-lathed cymbals:

https://reverb.com/item/17352767-zil...-and-re-lathed

https://soundcloud.com/steve-maxwell...-and-re-lathed

Once you know the SoundCloud account he is using then you have access to all his files via SoundCloud. But the whole system is messy and takes getting used to during this transition period.
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Old 10-29-2019, 12:05 AM
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As Drumaholic pointed out there are sound files but they are very easy to miss. Which is how I missed them the first time. Some of the Reverb ads do say listen to the audio link below (a hint) but many ads don't and what they mean by below isn't clear. Classic design mistake. I wouldn't be interested in a Spizzichino at $2500 if there was no sound file and there is no hint the audio it is there unless you know.

https://reverb.com/item/25392287-spi...e-cymbal-1950g

Scroll down to a control/section called Audio (below Shop Policies) and click on it. A SoundCloud player will appear. You can play it there, and there is also a direct SoundCloud direct link.

For one of those re-lathed cymbals:

https://reverb.com/item/17352767-zil...-and-re-lathed

https://soundcloud.com/steve-maxwell...-and-re-lathed

Once you know the SoundCloud account he is using then you have access to all his files via SoundCloud. But the whole system is messy and takes getting used to during this transition period.
Wow. Could they have hidden it any better? The 18" cymbal sounds nice but a little too washy for my taste. Its more of a crash than a ride now, IMHO. It certainly doesn't sound like a '60s A anymore.
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Old 10-29-2019, 04:21 PM
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As Drumaholic pointed out there are sound files but they are very easy to miss. Which is how I missed them the first time. Some of the Reverb ads do say listen to the audio link below (a hint) but many ads don't and what they mean by below isn't clear. Classic design mistake. I wouldn't be interested in a Spizzichino at $2500 if there was no sound file and there is no hint the audio it is there unless you know.

https://reverb.com/item/25392287-spi...e-cymbal-1950g

Scroll down to a control/section called Audio (below Shop Policies) and click on it. A SoundCloud player will appear. You can play it there, and there is also a direct SoundCloud direct link.

For one of those re-lathed cymbals:

https://reverb.com/item/17352767-zil...-and-re-lathed

https://soundcloud.com/steve-maxwell...-and-re-lathed

Once you know the SoundCloud account he is using then you have access to all his files via SoundCloud. But the whole system is messy and takes getting used to during this transition period.
That 20"Spizzichino is horrid. All wash from start to finish. I wonder what they see is valued at $2,500.
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Old 10-29-2019, 05:09 PM
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I wonder what they see is valued at $2,500.
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Old 10-29-2019, 08:52 PM
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That 20"Spizzichino is horrid. All wash from start to finish. I wonder what they see is valued at $2,500.
While it is certainly not my cup of tea either I would not characterize it as horrid or anything even close to horrid. At $2500 though I can think of a lot of 20" and 22" old K's I'd rather have for far less. .For a 20" cymbal the price is off the charts probably because he is dead. I don't recall what type of music you favor but this is a jazz oriented cymbal, and perhaps cymbals of this type just don't appeal to you.
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Old 10-30-2019, 07:07 PM
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While it is certainly not my cup of tea either I would not characterize it as horrid or anything even close to horrid. At $2500 though I can think of a lot of 20" and 22" old K's I'd rather have for far less. .For a 20" cymbal the price is off the charts probably because he is dead. I don't recall what type of music you favor but this is a jazz oriented cymbal, and perhaps cymbals of this type just don't appeal to you.
I'm actually just touching on Jazz in the last couple years and like it. Used to hate it. That cymbal will never go dead quick enough to play clean short notes that don't carry into the next.
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I'm actually just touching on Jazz in the last couple years and like it. Used to hate it. That cymbal will never go dead quick enough to play clean short notes that don't carry into the next.
With jazz cymbals you generally don't want them to go dead when you're riding although some drummers do prefer dry cymbals. Usually thinner darker sounding cymbals are preferred with a clear distinctive stick that's not overwhelmed by the wash. But you want that underlying wash to be present as you're keeping time and playing patterns. For many the wash should also be a bit trashy. In addition, rivets are often used by jazz players to add additional sustain to that wash which can be especially effective with brushes and on ballads and behind vocalists. .
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Old 10-31-2019, 08:04 PM
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With jazz cymbals you generally don't want them to go dead when you're riding although some drummers do prefer dry cymbals. Usually thinner darker sounding cymbals are preferred with a clear distinctive stick that's not overwhelmed by the wash. But you want that underlying wash to be present as you're keeping time and playing patterns. For many the wash should also be a bit trashy. In addition, rivets are often used by jazz players to add additional sustain to that wash which can be especially effective with brushes and on ballads and behind vocalists. .
Believe it or not, 4 years ago I would not have understood what you mean.

Sometimes I will just play the ride and BD. I'll play the ride or crash like a snare drum. I don't like the one's that wash from the start, I kinda work up to that and don't want it washing by it'self. There are enough surfaces on a good Zildjian to get many tones and different lengths. You can play it like a snare drum though.

Before I heard Drumaholic mention different plains on the same cymbal, I thought mine was warped and simply played those flats for the sound change.
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Old 10-31-2019, 08:25 PM
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Believe it or not, 4 years ago I would not have understood what you mean.

Sometimes I will just play the ride and BD. I'll play the ride or crash like a snare drum. I don't like the one's that wash from the start, I kinda work up to that and don't want it washing by it'self. There are enough surfaces on a good Zildjian to get many tones and different lengths. You can play it like a snare drum though.

Before I heard Drumaholic mention different plains on the same cymbal, I thought mine was warped and simply played those flats for the sound change.
Many jazz players, myself and my son Milestones included, prefer the sticking to be woody sounding rather than bright and pingy, and with bells that are darker and clunkier sounding rather than bright and metallic. Jazz cymbals are usually very different from ones used for Rock. A good jazz cymbal can be a very complicated instrument with subtle nuances and various voices depending on where you strike it, how you play it, and the sticks that you use. In my experience Rock cymbals generally do not have that same degree of tonal complexity.
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