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Old 11-01-2013, 02:36 PM
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Found add on local buy sell site.It is 14x4"according to seller.It looks to me like mix of 60's lugs,snare strainer from 58 catalog scans,and badge from mid 50 up to 67th.Can it be like drum makers did in 60's,put what you have left from badges and other parts from past?
What you think?
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Old 11-01-2013, 06:15 PM
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I believe it's assembled from various periods, but not factory assembled.
It appears to be deeper than 4". (see pics below of Super ace)
It's appears to be a cut down Super Ace shell, judging from how tight to the hoop the lever is... w/Royal Ace lugs.
Slightly bent badge appears to have been removed at some point.
The Super 4" had different lugs, a throw assembly like the later Royal Aces and a smaller badge like the early 4" Royal Ace badge (see pics)

Ron
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Old 11-02-2013, 04:03 AM
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Thank you for your answer,but pic you put is from 60's scans in 1958 catalogue is snare system like on my pics and firs time lugs are seen in 1961.cat.That is reason why I thought that,since I don't have scans from 1959.and 1961.I suspect that some old stock of snare systems were put with newer lugs on shell.I can not believe that someone cut the shell to be 4",but also those lugs were never mounted on deeper shells
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Old 11-02-2013, 12:13 PM
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Thank you for your answer,but pic you put is from 60's scans in 1958 catalogue is snare system like on my pics and firs time lugs are seen in 1961.cat.That is reason why I thought that,since I don't have scans from 1959.and 1961.I suspect that some old stock of snare systems were put with newer lugs on shell.I can not believe that someone cut the shell to be 4",but also those lugs were never mounted on deeper shells
Of course, the lugs on your drum were intended only for the 4" Royal Ace.

Your drum does not have the Super 4 system as shown in the catalogue pic of the Super 4. Catalogue illustrates the newer Royal Ace snare system with the older lug design. Your snare system is that of the older Super Ace (as seen below).

In comparing the images of your drum with a 4" Royal Ace it seems obvious that... not only do they appear to be of differing proportions... the distance between lugs and hoop can be seen to be less on the actual 4" R.A.

Furthermore, the throw-off lever on your drum has had its top broken or sheared off (they are often found broken) and its ill-fit is evidence that the shell has been cut down to somewhere between 4" and its original depth... probably 5.5".
Due to the complexity of the snare system's mounting, it would be quite difficult if not impossible to cut down the bottom of the shell.

Have you examined the shell's inside for evidence of mounting holes for lugs such as those on the 5.5" Super Ace?
I f I'm right, they would not be equidistant from top and bottom.
Ron
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Old 11-09-2013, 06:34 AM
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Thank you,again Royal Ace
I found interior pic that confirm your opinion.There is washer mark and single hole from original lugs like in 1958 Super Ace,probably 5,5".
So someone probably ruined two snare drums...
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