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Old 11-05-2013, 11:43 AM
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as this drum still features the plastic Trixon badge held on with two brads.

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The Trixon badge was originally cast brass and then sometime in the mid-60's became stamped brass and then went to foil. I have never seen a plastic one , and I have been playing Trixon drums since the mid- 60's. It is hard to nail down timelines ,when it comes to Trixon. Sometimes anomalies show up, that don't fit with the catalogues. I know of one example , where a kit , known to be manufactured late in the companies existence , came out with metric shells( 4 or 5 years after their discontinuance).
Probably, in order to save money, they made up or had made up volumes of parts, which took some time to use up, although there are also instances of parts showing up on drums a year or two before they appear to have been originally catalogued. There are also lots of uncatalogued Trixon items around too.
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Old 11-05-2013, 01:49 PM
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The Trixon badge was originally cast brass and then sometime in the mid-60's became stamped brass and then went to foil. I have never seen a plastic one , and I have been playing Trixon drums since the mid- 60's. It is hard to nail down timelines ,when it comes to Trixon. Sometimes anomalies show up, that don't fit with the catalogues. I know of one example , where a kit , known to be manufactured late in the companies existence , came out with metric shells( 4 or 5 years after their discontinuance).
Probably, in order to save money, they made up or had made up volumes of parts, which took some time to use up, although there are also instances of parts showing up on drums a year or two before they appear to have been originally catalogued. There are also lots of uncatalogued Trixon items around too.
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It is indeed a stamped brass badge on my 1967 1/440 Standard wood/WMP. Thing is, I remember that too as I did the R/R of that badge and reinstalled with the original brads. Don't know why I wrote plastic... short of the fact that I had Mookies' text in front of me at the time of reply.

Timelines/anomolies are quite common with MANY of the different drum companies/catalogs during this period... you are quite correct! Slingerland was notorius for having the actual models and the catalogs out of sync... and sometimes by a couple of years!

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Old 11-05-2013, 02:02 PM
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It would seem that the earliest pictures of buddy playing Trixon drums were taken on March 29 , during his visit to the Trixon factory in Hamburg, where he is seen playing both Trixon and Vox kits, so Vox was well in hand by the time Buddy Rich took on Trixon. There are various snaredrums around, including a 1/440S. The most curious picture of him playing Trixon was used in a Trixon brochure , from 1967. He must have toted at least one drum along from his Hamburg visit, or more likely, been supplied earlier , because he is seen playing a 1/440S ,in the company of his Rogers Celebrity kit, the drums he endorsed prior to Trixon( unless I have gleaned incorrectly). So ,he was playing the COS drum right from the start, indeed.
There are a group of curious photos, though, that are supposed to be publicity photos for the 1967 NAMM show( Jan. 1967?), where Buddy is seen playing a VOX kit with the full BR stencil job on the front head and a in a smiling endorsement of all three Trixon settups in Croco wrap.
Does this indicate that Buddy Rich was well along in preparing his Trixon arrangement in 1966, well before his Hamburg visit, because presumably such publicity photos , which are publicly referred to as being FOR and not OF, would have predated the NAMM show? BR is playing a 1/440S snare in one of the photos. Further, pictures taken in early 1967, at a film studio( VOX had an executive in , with film studios), shows a custom foil covered snare with the new single drop throw.
note** It is hard to determine , from pictures, whether a Trixon snare drum is wood or metal ,because they offered metal shelled drums , with celluloid covering as well.
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As is the case a lot of times, I have pics of Buddy that have probably not been seen by many... if at all! I have a KILLER shot.. ( in color ) .. of him playing LIVE with his band, sitting behind his Rogers Buddy Rich Celebrity's... but playing the Trixon "Metal Concert Buddy Rich" 1/440S snare drum. That being said, I think he was indeed getting set up with Trixon prior to his "coming out" publicly, and he started with that snare drum! I also have a great shot of BR.. ( again in color ) .. playing the FULL Trixon/Vox set in 1967, with the way cool BR/VOX "silver sparkle" front bass drum head... but here's the best part: Behind him on the drum riser is a back up snare drum, and it's the 1/440S "Metal Concert Buddy Rich". Buddy was playing the wood/WMP with the set during this period of time. That shot was taken by a friend of mine that was at that particular concert, and still had the pics after all these years!

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Old 11-05-2013, 08:50 PM
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In all the time I've owned Trixons with the badge, I never removed one and/or realized the badge was brass (and obviously painted...) Wow. Anywa, I really do appreciate all the info. I think maybe there should be new thread with Buddy Rich/Trixon-Vox pictures!

One other question: Is the wood model the same number? Does this span parallel strainer as well as the other? Thanks again for the info. By the way, I've attached a pic (sideways) of my other Trixon snares with the Vox just for fun.
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Old 11-06-2013, 10:50 AM
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The 1/440S originally was a parallel drop mech. from 1965; COS. 1/440Z was the same with a celluloid covering. The 1966/67 introduction of the version with the angle drop mech. kept the same model #. The parallel version was available in either an 8 double ended lug version or as a 16 single end staggered lug version. I have never seen an angle version with 16 lugs. Not so many of the 16 lug drums with the isolated square ribbed lugs came to N.A. They were common in Europe and England.
There was also a 6 1/4" version of each but with 16 staggered lugs .
The European Beech shelled version , was the 1/440 . TK1 was also stamped inside the shell, sometimes but there were many incarnations of this drum going back to about 1950. There were 2 different shell sizes, 6 different snare yokes, 5 different mufflers, 3 different lugs, 5 different lug conformations, 3 different wires,4 different hoops, 6 different shell formulations and 3 different parallel mechanisms+ 10 different badges( but in only 4 different styles).
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