Vintage Drum Forum the best vintage drum forum on the Internet - Vintage Drum History - Vintage Drum Questions

Go Back   Vintage Drum Forum > Vintage Cymbals

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 09-17-2017, 06:49 PM
human71 human71 is offline
Vintage Drum Guru
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Montreal, Que. Canada
Posts: 1,675
Default Temporary Transition

No, this is not a thread regarding a trans stamp Zildjian..
I've been a Paiste guy for over 20 years, but i'm not new to Zildjian.
I think every drummer who plays Paiste has played Zildjian at some point
in their life. I'm seriously considering a "temporary transition" into
Zildjian territory for my McCartney tribute band. I'm also aware that
Abe Laboriel Jr. who's McCartney's current drummer, endorses
and uses a variety of Paiste cymbals, and although they sound
great playing Paul's solo and Beatles songs, i feel to capture that
true sound of the songs, i'm going to have to cheat on my Paistes
and use Zildjian.. I've played both A's and K's and really like the sound
of both. The best part is i've already found several used cymbals for
pretty cheap, so at least if i buy them it won't cost an arm and a leg. New Beat 14" hats
for $130 CDN, a vintage hollow logo 20" crash/ride for $90
and an 18" hollow logo 70's crash for $80, are pretty great deals if you ask me, whereas
vintage Paistes normally cost way more. I find that A Zildjians always had a high frequency tone
that i found to be a little harsh, but not terrible. With a nicely aged patina, some of those tones will
not be present, and make the cymbals a lot warmer sounding.
So what to do you guys think ? Should i visit the Zildjian camp, or should i stick with what i've got ?
Whatever the case, i just thought it would interesting to read some comments on this.

Cheers,
Rob

Last edited by human71; 09-17-2017 at 06:52 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 09-18-2017, 11:07 AM
vyacheslav vyacheslav is offline
Vintage Drum Guru
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Cincinnati, OH
Posts: 1,008
Default Re: Temporary Transition

Hey Rob,

I always say you should play whatever you're feeling or hearing at that moment in time.

I have many kits and over 250 (!) cymbals. I play all different brands. I go for sound, not brand or series. Most of mine are B20 Professional line cymbals, but I do have some (probably less than 10%) that are mid-line or even budget line cymbals. I use them all, if they sound "right" to me and fit with the overall sound of the kit and fit the sound of the gig I am currently playing.

It's interesting that you mention A. Zildjians having high frequency overtones. They do, but more in a subtle way to me. Ironically, I always thought Paiste had really high, piercing overtones on most of their models, almost to a point of turning me off on some, so it's a very interesting observation you make, especially as a Paiste guy.

I've always felt that sound and not brand is more important than anything else. Sticking with one brand just because you're a "(fill in brand) Guy" is self defeating, to me. It's like saying "Boy that new burger at g looks really delicious, but I'm a McDonald's guy, so ........". So, unless Paiste is paying you a handsome sum to play only their product, I say go for it! Don't forget Sabian, Dream, UFIP, and on and on and on. We have an overwhelming number of choices these days, more than ever before. I say embrace it and try to find the sound that YOU want, not the sound that a brand wants you to think is yours.
__________________
"The worst thing to happen to drums from the 60's and early 70's was the 80's!"-clubdate64
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 09-18-2017, 11:10 AM
vyacheslav vyacheslav is offline
Vintage Drum Guru
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Cincinnati, OH
Posts: 1,008
Default Re: Temporary Transition

^^Didn't even realize the actual Burrrger Kinggg Guy emoticon would show up when I made that anaolgy. Happy unintended consequence!

(Intentionally misspelled Burger and King so that the actual word would show up and not the BK Guy again, LOL).

Moral of my post:

Play whatever brand sounds good to you, and eat burgers when contemplating new cymbal choices!
__________________
"The worst thing to happen to drums from the 60's and early 70's was the 80's!"-clubdate64

Last edited by vyacheslav; 09-18-2017 at 11:13 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 09-18-2017, 06:24 PM
human71 human71 is offline
Vintage Drum Guru
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Montreal, Que. Canada
Posts: 1,675
Default Re: Temporary Transition

Quote:
Originally Posted by vyacheslav View Post
^^Didn't even realize the actual Burrrger Kinggg Guy emoticon would show up when I made that anaolgy. Happy unintended consequence!

(Intentionally misspelled Burger and King so that the actual word would show up and not the BK Guy again, LOL).

Moral of my post:

Play whatever brand sounds good to you, and eat burgers when contemplating new cymbal choices!
Hi vycheslav.. Thanks for your reply and input..Lol ! That's a pretty funny coincidence with the "g guy" I totally agree with your philosophy on using what sounds right..I'm a Paiste user by choice.
Even though most of my drumming influences used Paiste, i think i was drawn to that sound, and i guess that's why i like the sound so much, because of the music. I think i'm gonna go for it..I keep watching mycymbal.com video demos of the Zildjian cymbals i've had my eye on, and they sound great and very versatile ..Can this be the beginning of a permanent residence with Zildjian ? Probably not.. But i do feel a little guilty, in a good way
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:22 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright 2009 VSDwebdesign