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Old 12-04-2019, 03:53 AM
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I was watching a review of the movie Whiplash. The reviewer was talking about the real and unrealistic parts of the movie. One thing he said, which I'd heard before, is that it was unrealistic that the jazz drummer student in the movie would had looked at Buddy Rich as one of the greats. He said NY jazz drummers respect Elvin Jones or Art Blakey more than Buddy. That Buddy was not the greatest drummer.
Now I may be just a country bumpkin from Texas, but holy cow, what's up with that? Maybe some New Yorkers can fill me in on this, because as far as I'm concerned, nobody, I mean nobody can or could play like Buddy.
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Old 12-04-2019, 07:36 AM
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I was watching a review of the movie Whiplash. The reviewer was talking about the real and unrealistic parts of the movie. One thing he said, which I'd heard before, is that it was unrealistic that the jazz drummer student in the movie would had looked at Buddy Rich as one of the greats. He said NY jazz drummers respect Elvin Jones or Art Blackey more than Buddy. That Buddy was not the greatest drummer.
Now I may be just a country bumpkin from Texas, but holy cow, what's up with that? Maybe some New Yorkers can fill me in on this, because as far as I'm concerned, nobody, I mean nobody can or could play like Buddy.
First, Buddy was a native New Yorker, born and bred in Brooklyn in the bad ol days, the pre-hipster, pre ****genized Brooklyn that I remember so well, hence his tough, take no prisoners attitude. He had that real Brooklyn street attitude so famous from that generation, so real New Yorkers connected with him. He was much beloved by us here and played regular gigs and special performances here all the time. He loved New York and the city loved him back. He was one of our treasure's and was treated as such. Think Birdland and The Hickory House, 2 of the most revered jazz joints in the city. Both of them were his home for many years. Then there is the Apollo performances, where he was adored by African American audiences, more so than any of the black drummers of the day, and he maybe the most beloved musician that ever played up there, period! They revered him in Harlem, and it was there that he began performing with one arm in a cast and never missed a beat playing one handed. People were amazed!

Secondly, I don't think the drummer in the movie was a native New Yorker, he was just studying here, so if the reviewer is correct, which I don't believe he is, he would like Buddy Rich because he isn't from here.

But I can't see how this reviewer came up with his conclusion. There is no doubt, New York loved Buddy.
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Old 12-04-2019, 10:22 AM
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[QUOTE=johnnyringo;454897...nobody, I mean nobody can or could play like Buddy.[/QUOTE]
...with the exception of Mr. Joe Morello, the only one B. Rich avoid to meet in a drum battle (as I read I don't remember where).
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Old 12-04-2019, 11:21 AM
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I think the reviewer was referring to jazz drummers that are around today, not from when Buddy was alive. I had heard someone else say the same thing, that the newer jazz drummers around NY don't look at Buddy as a big influence or the best. Maybe it's because they can't play like him and relate more to guys like Jones and Blakey.

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Old 12-04-2019, 11:25 AM
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I was never aware of any of these "New York" assertions concerning Buddy. If anyone might know something about this, I think TommyP would.

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Old 12-04-2019, 12:03 PM
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I was never aware of any of these "New York" assertions concerning Buddy. If anyone might know something about this, I think TommyP would.

-Mark
Mark!, and JR et al...

I usually do NOT get involved with these types of discussions, as really ... outside of some NEW unearthed tid bits here and there, it comes down to the personal opinion of the writer of the article, and/or the reader of same. I have a ton of material in my personal collection/library on BR that was collected over the past 5 decades, and this type of discussion pops up like the perennial crocus out of the snow! There is always something else that comes along to "stir the pot" with regard to Buddy and other drummers, and/or what they thought of him, or who was really best, ad nauseam! So, as to the NY assertions ... who knows!, and really ... who cares! Those are just opinions, as is JR's, and Mark's, and mine, etc. Truly, ALL of those drummers were GREAT and had something to offer, which is why they are ALL still so revered today! "Whiplash", while entertaining to a degree, is still simply that: Entertainment. To even surmise that the jazz drummer student in the movie .. ( Miles Teller ) .. wouldn't have looked at Buddy as one of the greats, makes no sense ... nor does it mean anything. It is only that reviewers opinion, which again means nothing as it was just a freaking movie. Complete fiction. I will close with this though: "Not my tempo"! <smile!>
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Old 12-04-2019, 12:31 PM
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This is sorta funny....
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Old 12-04-2019, 03:02 PM
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....One thing he said, which I'd heard before, is that it was unrealistic that the jazz drummer student in the movie would had looked at Buddy Rich as one of the greats. He said NY jazz drummers respect Elvin Jones or Art Blakey more than Buddy. That Buddy was not the greatest drummer....
Echoing Tommyp, only Damien Chazelle would know what is in the mind of his fictional character Andrew Neiman, because "Andrew's" and his thoughts are one in the same. Andrew listened to some Buddy early in the film, so apparently Buddy had an impact on (the fictional) Andrew.

In the real world, Buddy's impact on big band music in particular and drumming in general is undeniable - especially related to his lasting influence on "modern" drumming. Way too easy to trace the influence of Buddy on todays "best" players, even if those players don't readily recognize it themselves.
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Old 12-04-2019, 05:57 PM
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Mark!, and JR et al...

I usually do NOT get involved with these types of discussions, as really ... outside of some NEW unearthed tid bits here and there, it comes down to the personal opinion of the writer of the article, and/or the reader of same. I have a ton of material in my personal collection/library on BR that was collected over the past 5 decades, and this type of discussion pops up like the perennial crocus out of the snow! There is always something else that comes along to "stir the pot" with regard to Buddy and other drummers, and/or what they thought of him, or who was really best, ad nauseam! So, as to the NY assertions ... who knows!, and really ... who cares! Those are just opinions, as is JR's, and Mark's, and mine, etc. Truly, ALL of those drummers were GREAT and had something to offer, which is why they are ALL still so revered today! "Whiplash", while entertaining to a degree, is still simply that: Entertainment. To even surmise that the jazz drummer student in the movie .. ( Miles Teller ) .. wouldn't have looked at Buddy as one of the greats, makes no sense ... nor does it mean anything. It is only that reviewers opinion, which again means nothing as it was just a freaking movie. Complete fiction. I will close with this though: "Not my tempo"! <smile!>
That's right,....They never heard Buddy play the living room lamp.
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Old 12-06-2019, 12:52 PM
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Mark!, and JR et al...

I usually do NOT get involved with these types of discussions, as really ... outside of some NEW unearthed tid bits here and there, it comes down to the personal opinion of the writer of the article, and/or the reader of same. I have a ton of material in my personal collection/library on BR that was collected over the past 5 decades, and this type of discussion pops up like the perennial crocus out of the snow! There is always something else that comes along to "stir the pot" with regard to Buddy and other drummers, and/or what they thought of him, or who was really best, ad nauseam! So, as to the NY assertions ... who knows!, and really ... who cares! Those are just opinions, as is JR's, and Mark's, and mine, etc. Truly, ALL of those drummers were GREAT and had something to offer, which is why they are ALL still so revered today! "Whiplash", while entertaining to a degree, is still simply that: Entertainment. To even surmise that the jazz drummer student in the movie .. ( Miles Teller ) .. wouldn't have looked at Buddy as one of the greats, makes no sense ... nor does it mean anything. It is only that reviewers opinion, which again means nothing as it was just a freaking movie. Complete fiction. I will close with this though: "Not my tempo"! <smile!>
One thing is for sure and will never change, if nothing else, just saying the name Buddy to any drumming community around the globe will trigger rivers of ink flowing...
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