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Old 02-14-2011, 03:22 AM
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Default How to date Black Label Paiste 2002 Cymbals

I just purchased a 1957 WFL drum kit that was special ordered by CBC Radio Canada in their Vancouver studio back in the day. The kit came with some Paiste and Avedis Zildjian cymbals. The Avedis Zildjian cymbals have no "Made In ______" engraved on them? The Paiste 2002 are stamped with black ink 2002 and have the following serial numbers:

- 18" Crash 507149
- 18" Medium Crash 438607
- 15" Heavy Hi-Hats 542232 and 542233

Where can I go to date the cymbals by serial numbers?

I'm relatively new to Paiste cymbals having purchased as nice used set of Red Label 2002 14" Sound Edge hi-hats last summer.

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Old 02-14-2011, 03:56 AM
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Default Re: How to date Black Label Paiste 2002 Cymbals

Wow, gotta wonder how many and what shows that kit was on.
Cool.
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Old 02-14-2011, 04:11 AM
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Wow, gotta wonder how many and what shows that kit was on.
Cool.
Yes, the woman who sold me the kit, bought them at an auction in Vancouver back the the late 70's. She toured around BC with the kit for a number of years, and added a couple of Tama Superstar toms (12" & 18") with a natural wood finish in the early 80's to compliment the 20", 16" and 13" WFL shells. She also purchased a new 6.5" x 14" Ludwig Black Beauty Supersensitive snare in 1977. It was a great purchase, as I love all the parts. I wish she had purchased the matching bass drum for those Tama toms. They are beautiful drums, looks like maple interior/exterior ply's, thin shells, sound very nice and I will not be using them with the WFL shells.

Back to CBC Radio Canada and the shows that these drums were used on. Back in those days, she told me that CBC recorded programs live and thus had many instruments to accommodate whatever the show required. She did not know much more than that, but the 13" tom has a sticker that reads: CBC Radio Canada (then a serial number). Probably to keep track of there inventory? In any event the old tubs have a maple exterior with a walnut stain, a mahogany interior, 3 ply's with re-rings and do sound fabulous, even with older heads. : ))

I would post some pics, but mine are too large for this site, and it's a pain in the butt to re-size.

Cheers,
Barry
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70's Maple Cortex 10 x 14 3 ply clear int. rack tom VGC original drum - 4 sale
70 Ludwig 9 x 13 Butcher Block 3 ply clear int. rack tom VGC original drum - 4 sale
61 Ludwig black & gold Duco 22 Classic lugs, 13 Club Date w/matching Jazz Festival *wtd matching floor tom
80 Black Beauty 6.5 x 14 (very nice used - 4 sale)
79 Black Beauty 6.5 x 14 one previous owner players or studio drum - 4 sale
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Old 02-14-2011, 04:52 AM
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18" Medium Crash is 1974

Rest of cymbals are 1975
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Old 02-14-2011, 04:55 AM
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18" Medium Crash is 1974

Rest of cymbals are 1975
OK Mike, thank you. But how do you know that? I want to be able to identify these cymbals in the future, as I want to buy some more Paistes. Is it the first number of the serial numbers?
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70 Ludwig 9 x 13 Butcher Block 3 ply clear int. rack tom VGC original drum - 4 sale
61 Ludwig black & gold Duco 22 Classic lugs, 13 Club Date w/matching Jazz Festival *wtd matching floor tom
80 Black Beauty 6.5 x 14 (very nice used - 4 sale)
79 Black Beauty 6.5 x 14 one previous owner players or studio drum - 4 sale
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Old 02-14-2011, 05:03 AM
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Yes,first number is year......

They used Black Logo's till 1979,then Red Logo's starting in 1980.
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Old 02-14-2011, 05:05 AM
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BTW......my name is Blair,not Mike.
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Old 02-14-2011, 05:06 AM
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Yes,first number is year......

They used Black Logo's till 1979,then Red Logo's starting in 1980.
Thanks Blair. When did Paiste start using serial numbers? Is there a site dedicated to vintage Paiste cymbals with info on the different models?

I saw Mike at the bottom of your message and thought that was your name, sorry.
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71 Black Cortex 22, 14 *wtd 16" ft*
70's Maple Cortex 10 x 14 3 ply clear int. rack tom VGC original drum - 4 sale
70 Ludwig 9 x 13 Butcher Block 3 ply clear int. rack tom VGC original drum - 4 sale
61 Ludwig black & gold Duco 22 Classic lugs, 13 Club Date w/matching Jazz Festival *wtd matching floor tom
80 Black Beauty 6.5 x 14 (very nice used - 4 sale)
79 Black Beauty 6.5 x 14 one previous owner players or studio drum - 4 sale
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Old 02-14-2011, 05:28 AM
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No Prob.....

My signature is a pizztake.....

Mike Love is in The Beach Boys!

I thought that was so funny when I first heard it,I had to nick it for myself.
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Old 02-14-2011, 09:28 AM
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Paiste serial # info
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