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Old 02-01-2017, 12:42 PM
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WFL bought the Ludwig name back from Conn in 1955 and changed the name of the company back to Ludwig pretty soon thereafter but the drum line was still called WFL for roughly another 3 years until sometime in 1958 when they started using the Transition badge, Thereafter they still continued to use stocks of WFL tagged parts until they were all gone. In the case of die cast parts they apparently continued to make new castings from the old WFL dies until the dies were worn out (casting dies were expensive to make) and needed to be replaced and only at that time would they change the logo over to "Ludwig". So, for example, they continued to churn out WFL logo'ed snare stands for years after the brand changeover (I think they were still doing so until nearly the 1970's). The Speed King apparently was changed over quite a bit earlier than that, perhaps because it was a higher profile item that they wanted the new brand on, or maybe it was simply a lucky coincidence that the die was in need of replacement sooner.

Ludwig doesn't seem to have wasted anything when it came to parts, tools, etc. That also includes catalog artwork, so the WFL version of the Speed King was still pictured in the catalog after the new version had been adopted along with many other out of date illustrations. I think it was the 1971 catalog where Ludwig finally redid the artwork on (almost) everything. Of course by then they had adopted the newer "block" logo, but again a whole lot of product continued to have the previous script logo cast into it.
Right. My copy, which is in very good condition, has the Ludwig script logo and according to the person I got it from it was purchased in the mid to late ''60s. The grey posts are almost like new with no chipping and no pitting on the chrome. It was clearly lightly used and we'll taken care of. While certainly not in mint condition it looks much better than all but a few examples I've seen on eBay. After some research it appears there is no obvious way to determine a particular year or even period of manufacture other than the change in the footboard. Of course, the current version has a few obvious physical differences including the black posts and changes to the footboard..
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Old 03-05-2017, 08:45 PM
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Default Re: Ludwig Speed King Bass Drum Pedals

Hi,

I've written to several places trying to find out what the KDC stamp stands for on the bottom of a Speed King. Below is what I found out. (heaven forbid that Ludwig should actually return an email about this. I tried twice). What Dan Twarog wrote me, and the address I found for Krone, seems to add up.



The picture is of a high pressure die casting. There is no such thing as a metal stamping foundry. My best guess is that the part was made by Krone die casting. That company went out of business several years ago.

I believe the Ludwig facility in NC most likely buys many of its new die castings from somewhere in China.

Dan TWAROG
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NADCA
North American Die Casting Association




Krone Die Casting
6609 W Fullerton
Elmwood Park IL, 60707
Cook County


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Old 03-06-2017, 05:57 AM
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Default Re: Ludwig Speed King Bass Drum Pedals

Interesting info. My WFL Speed King has "1204" and a small KDC logo on the bottom of the foot board. Nothing on the upright that I can see like yours.

#1205 on heelplate. No casting comp logo. Still see nothing on upright. If it's under the hoop clamp I just can't see it being covered. Still WFL pedal info here.
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Old 03-06-2017, 08:35 AM
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Default Re: Ludwig Speed King Bass Drum Pedals

OK, I had to look.

I have the Cxx 1202 on the Post casting in the same spot as the one shown and the Kdc 1204 on the footboard.

The 1202 has to be the die number or part number.
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Old 03-06-2017, 12:39 PM
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Seems like there was something different on some Sk's in contrast to others, where the front of the pedal was different. It possibly affected how far the pedal went up under/on the hoop. Maybe someone knows for sure.
Sometime in the 70's through the 80's, Ludwig used wider hoops on their bass drums.
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