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Old 08-14-2016, 06:26 PM
sgtlethargic sgtlethargic is offline
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Default Gretsch snare ID help

I bought this 14" x 5" used in the 80's. I don't see any markings. It seems to be COB because a frig magnet doesn't stick but has a little attraction. Unoriginal throwoff, but I might have the parts stored.

Can you tell:
* What era/model?
* What are those 'isolation washers'?


** Is there a decent, cheap, and easy way to clean it up without fully disassembling it?

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And I get "Reported Attack Page" warnings when I click on some of the "Important Web Site Pages" links (using Firefox). What's up with that?
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Old 08-14-2016, 08:39 PM
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Default Re: Gretsch snare ID help

Best to pull the lugs and strainer to clan it up. The extra time is worth it.

I would suggest CLR to soak the lugs and tension rods in. The shell can be cleaned with windex or other glass cleaner. Once clean, wax all the chrome with a good carnauba car wax. The hard last not the liquid stuff (I use 1-grand blitz wax).

Reassemble and enjoy!

I don't have a specific model for you but I think that 4-point strainer is correct for my old wood round badge shell.
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Old 08-14-2016, 08:50 PM
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Default Re: Gretsch snare ID help

It is model # 4160, brass shell.
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Old 08-14-2016, 09:29 PM
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Would a 4160 come with a Renown butt plate (I'm sure that's original) versus the fish one? Maybe it's an early 4160 since they used leftover Renown parts? Were there any Renown COB snares?

This one (excepting the 1st picture) has the Renown butt plate with a Lightning strainer.

https://nickhopkindrums.wordpress.co...60-snare-drum/

I found out the drum key fits in the vent hole!
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Old 08-14-2016, 09:39 PM
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Would a 4160 come with a Renown butt plate (I'm sure that's original) versus the fish one, Lightning, or Microsensitive? Maybe it's an early 4160 since they used leftover Renown parts? Were there any Renown COB snares?

This one (excepting the 1st picture) has the Renown butt plate with a __?__ strainer.

https://nickhopkindrums.wordpress.co...60-snare-drum/

I found out the drum key fits in the vent hole!
Here give this a look.
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Old 08-14-2016, 09:48 PM
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Here's the hole pattern for the strainer. I doubt I would've approved of the drum shop guy drilling extra holes for the later Ludwig p85 (ugh) strainer.
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Old 08-17-2016, 12:54 AM
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Well it`s brass so you got that going for you. A Coppersmith could hammer softer brass into the extra holes and polish it up so you wont find them. They will never fall out. Wont work with steel.

You and I could hammer Lead ( fishing weight or something)with a wood dowel pointed to that size, into the extra holes and scrape off the extra with a spoon and polish it with cloth. you wont find that either, it will never fall out and the Lead is only a little heavier than the Brass and the color blends.
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Old 08-17-2016, 08:58 AM
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Yours is the first version of the model 4160 snare drum. It had no decorative ring at the center of the shell like later versions (Note that the catalog in vintagemore's post shows both versions - without decorative ring on the cover and with it on page 10). The model 4160 originally had a microsensitve throw and a four point butt. There were made this way for several years in the 1960s. This was not just using up old Renown parts. Nick Hopkin provides a nice summary of the changes in the model through the years in the article that you linked above. https://nickhopkindrums.wordpress.co...60-snare-drum/
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