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Old 09-11-2019, 01:57 PM
vyacheslav vyacheslav is offline
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Default My First Rogers Foray! I Have some questions........

Greetings,

My new girlfriend happen to mention to me that her son used to play the drums and that she had an old set in her basement. She said they were kinda beat up and probably not very good and that they were missing parts. I told her I would be happy to clean them up, replace the missing parts etc. for her. After going to her place a few times, she mentioned that she would give them to me to take back home to work on.

To my surprise, she had them waiting for me in the garage the next time I went over. Rogers Holidays! I am not very knowledgeable on Rogers stuff, so I'm hoping to get some help filling in the blanks from all of you.

The BDP is in great shape. Also, from what I understand, the Bread & Butter lugs, along with the collett mounts are notorious for cracking. All of these are in great shape with no cracks. Everything is in near perfect shape, except for some torn heads. The floor tom has beaver tail lugs, while the snare, rack and bass have B & B lugs. The floor tom has a Dayton tag, the other three have a Cleveland tag (pics in response below). The bass drum has coated heads on both sides, so I did not yet get a pic of the bass drum tag/Serial #.

As you can see, the snare is mounted off a Swivo arm. It's a longer than normal hex arm receiver and the ball mount is at a 90 degree angle as opposed to a regular Swivo mount.

The sizes are 12/16/20 with a 14 Snare. The snare has the clock face strainer. All the internal tone controls are identical, including the floor tom. It came with a Dewey snare stand, and an MIJ pedal and hi-hat stand. It also came with a 14" MIJ Floor tom in BDP Wrap that is slightly different (Drum Mate brand with Slingerland copy lugs).

The drums technically belong to her ex-husband, so the plan is to get them all cleaned up and replace the missing parts and help her find a buyer, of which I'll get a cut of the loot. Incidentally (and I'll be posting a thread in the "Wanted To Buy" section too, but I will need a Swivo Tom Arm, a Swivo Cymbal Arm and one bass drum spur).

Here are my questions:

1. Is there a specific name or model for this kind of Holiday outfit with the snare mounted on the bass drum? Was this a special order? Was this a DIY job or aftermarket addition? Is the Swivo arm shown correct for the bass drum mounted snare?

2. I assume the other two mounts on the bass drum are for a regular Swivo arm (for the rack tom) and a Swivo cymbal arm? Does the placement look correct for those?

3. Is there any difference in value/desirability for drums "not born together" (ie Floor Tom with a Dayton Tag, higher serial # and beaver tail lugs)? The wrap is identical.

4. Based on the Serial Numbers in the pics below, what year does it date these to?

5. When I get to polish and clean these, any certain tips or tricks for Rogers? I know the B & B lugs crack easily so I will be very careful not to over tighten them when reassembling. I've cleaned up and polished a lot of kits, so I know what I'm doing (non-abrasive methods, no harsh chemicals etc.), but anything in particular to be cautious of on these?

Thanks so much for your help!
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Old 09-11-2019, 02:00 PM
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Default Re: My First Rogers Foray! I Have some questions........

Pics of the Tags:

First is Snare
Second is Rack
Third is Floor
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Old 09-11-2019, 02:21 PM
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Default Re: My First Rogers Foray! I Have some questions........

You hit the Lottery with this one. Those are the machined collets....they won't crack. Floor tom looks to be early Dayton with the flat gray paint. The floor tom is around 1966. The others are 1963.
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Old 09-12-2019, 06:57 AM
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Default Re: My First Rogers Foray! I Have some questions........

Those 32xxx drums are likely to be three ply Keller, instead if the more well-known 5 ply Keller shells, found on Cleveland drums from about 1964 on.

Can't stress this enough (pardon the pun) - if you are going to disassemble the B&B drums, mark EVERY lug for position and orientation on the shell. Each B&B lug is unique, and you want it to return to the shell in EXACTLY the same place. Indentations in the wrap caused by the lug, gentle bends of the brass ends caused by 55 years of compression, threading of the screws - everything matters!! Frankly, if the lugs aren't cracked, I suggest you leave them be.

Best wishes on helping get a gorgeous Rogers back in service, and go slowly. Or just call me and let me pick them up! ;^)

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Old 09-12-2019, 08:14 AM
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Don't you want them for yourself? If I was in your positiion, I'd grab them.
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Old 09-12-2019, 10:25 AM
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Hi V!

What a great set of Rogers drums! Back in the B&B days, there were a number of kits with the snare drum attached to the bass drum with a Swivo holder. Here are a few... https://www.vintagedrumguide.com/ima..._drumsets9.jpg

You're doing a great thing by restoring the kit. Sounds like a bit easier job than the Big R kit I'm working on! Go slow and take your time. The above advice regarding removal of the BB lugs sounds good, too!

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Old 09-12-2019, 02:19 PM
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Default Re: My First Rogers Foray! I Have some questions........

I ordered my Black Diamond Pearl Rogers set from the catalog in 1961. My 14x20 bass drum had all Swivomatic mounting hardware for my 8x12 tom and my 14x5 matching Holiday snare drum on my left, a ride cymbal on my right. I had my 16x16 floor tom. I loved this drum set. Here we are on stage in 1963 or 1964 at Madura's Danceland, which was a big band era ballroom on the south shore of Lake Michigan where Chicago and Hammond, Indiana met at the state line. The other picture was taken at a fraternity house party at Purdue in Lafayette, Indiana. The camera angle makes it look as though my dear departed friend Tom is about eight feet tall. He was only about 6'1".
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Old 09-12-2019, 02:25 PM
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What a priceless photo!

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Old 09-12-2019, 05:47 PM
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Default Re: My First Rogers Foray! I Have some questions........

That photo is reminiscent of the stories Ringo told of playing with Rory Storm and the Hurricanes at Butlin's holiday camp in Pwllheli, England during that era. The red jackets are too cool.
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Old 09-12-2019, 05:50 PM
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Default Re: My First Rogers Foray! I Have some questions........

Back to the BDP. Nice set vayachaslav. I have a small set of BDP's, but with the beavertails. It's growing on me on account of the fact that it looks decent and didn't cost a lot. Sounds very good, of course, as yours, no doubt, do too.
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