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Old 10-14-2017, 03:33 PM
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Default Help to identify/value a Zildjian Avedis 20" Ride

Hi,



Hopefully you guys can help, I've been tasked with selling off all my Dads old drum stuff and most of it is fairly obvious but there's a Zildjian Avedis 20" ride that seems like it may be worth finding out bout, before it hits Ebay (UK).



I've checked loads of info online and I'm still not sure what era this is (70s?), so rather than list it incorrectly, I figured I'd ask here, in case to the more trained eye, it's obvious.



Also, baring in mind the repair/keyhole:



how much should I realistically be looking for on this? Obviously, I'd like to get as much as I can for my Dad but I also realise I need to be realistic!





Hopefully someone can help, Cheers
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Old 10-14-2017, 03:50 PM
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,,,The keyholeing departs value , and weight will have a lot to do with it , but sound is everything .good luck !
125 I’m guessing on a good day
Btw what r u selling in drums I could be interested thanx
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Old 10-14-2017, 04:45 PM
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King,

That is a 60s cymbal wearing 60s short stamp. See:

http://black.net.nz/avedis/avedis-ga...html#60s-small

for why. The look of the lathing on the top and bottom is consistent with that. The treatment of the area around the mounting hole on the bell is consistent with later 1960s, although that correlation isn't firmly established yet. The look of the hammering on the top is more later 60s than earlier 60s as well.

Prices do depend a little on weight. Lighter ones get a little more. Here is a link to my price research:

http://black.net.nz/avedis/avedis-prices.html#20

With the keyhole I'd estimate $70 - $110 (based on 75 sales of 60s 20" cymbals) if it were for sale in the USA. Prices in the UK (Europe generally) tend to be a bit higher. I don't have a particular factor I can apply to do the adjustment.

Hope this helps.
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Old 10-15-2017, 08:11 AM
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,,,The keyholeing departs value , and weight will have a lot to do with it , but sound is everything .good luck !
125 Iím guessing on a good day
Btw what r u selling in drums I could be interested thanx
Gary

Yeah I figured as much, luckily other than that it's in good shape really. Thanks for the help

He has 2 kits, one is an old Premier black pearl kit, pre international sizes etc but I'll be hanging onto that. The other kit he had more recently (early 90s I guess0 was a Mapex Mars Series, that was a bit easier to value & sell!
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Old 10-15-2017, 08:14 AM
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King,

That is a 60s cymbal wearing 60s short stamp. See:

http://black.net.nz/avedis/avedis-ga...html#60s-small

for why. The look of the lathing on the top and bottom is consistent with that. The treatment of the area around the mounting hole on the bell is consistent with later 1960s, although that correlation isn't firmly established yet. The look of the hammering on the top is more later 60s than earlier 60s as well.

Prices do depend a little on weight. Lighter ones get a little more. Here is a link to my price research:

http://black.net.nz/avedis/avedis-prices.html#20

With the keyhole I'd estimate $70 - $110 (based on 75 sales of 60s 20" cymbals) if it were for sale in the USA. Prices in the UK (Europe generally) tend to be a bit higher. I don't have a particular factor I can apply to do the adjustment.

Hope this helps.
Awesome thanks for the really detailed reply, as I said I was hoping someone would have an easier job of identifying it than I did!

It's quite heavy, definitely on the heavier end of that scale,

it showed as 2.45kg on the shipping scales at work:

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Old 10-15-2017, 10:45 AM
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Pics of the black pearl kit would be great to ogle gary
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Old 10-15-2017, 12:14 PM
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Awesome thanks for the really detailed reply, as I said I was hoping someone would have an easier job of identifying it than I did!

It's quite heavy, definitely on the heavier end of that scale,

it showed as 2.45kg on the shipping scales at work:

Yep, 2450g is definitely on the heavy side for a 20". Most of my 20s are from 1900 to 2200g. It wouldn't be a cymbal I would ever be interested in, but someone, possibly a rock/pop player may be very happy with it. Here in Central New Jersey, USA a cymbal like this would be available from a large musical instrument chain, like Sam Ash, for around $90-130 USD, slightly higher than Zenstat's estimate. I'm not a statistician like Zenstat. My estimates are based on the prices I actually see on used cymbals in my large local Sam Ash store. At any given time they have 15-20 used cymbals, mostly Avedis Zildjian, with many of them from the '60s. Finding a 60s Avedis Zildjian cymbal is relatively easy, accounting for the the modest current value. Earlier cymbals from the '50s and late '40s are much harder to find, are often hand hammered, tend to sound better, and as a result are more desirable and have more value. Finding old K. Zildjian cymbals in a store like this is virtually impossible since the few they acquire are scooped up by staff for themselves or for friends.
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Old 10-15-2017, 08:28 PM
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At 2450g that's in the top 20% for weights of 20" Avedis Zildjian ride cymbals in the 1960s. Some of those are light crashes (under 1850g for example) which I haven't trimmed out of my analysis, but you get the idea. It might be a PING or HEAVY model, but once the model ink has gone it is hard to say. I have one example of a cymbal with MEDIUM HEAVY RIDE ink on it which weighs 2327g. And one with MEDIUM RIDE ink weighs 2135g. Alas, cymbals with ink are scarce so it has taken a long time to find just a few examples with intact model ink and a weight.
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Old 10-16-2017, 04:52 AM
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Cool, thanks for all the help and info on this guys, I would've been lost without you!
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