Three NOS old 22" K's never played

[Drumaholic]

Originally Posted by franklinpeach

No one sells the good ones. You know that.

Yes I do know that. Wasn't that precisely the point I was making?

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[MastroSnare]

I'll say it again: listening to an mp3 quality recording of a cymbal recorded with an unknown mic through an unknown signal path and thinking that you have an idea what that cymbal sounds like is bonkers.

You could take one of my cymbals that sounds so-so and make it sound better than it does by recording it a certain way and take one of my favorites and make it sound so-so. But you cant record any of my cymbals and end up with what they actually sound like, and my mics and signal path are pretty much top end.

[mlvibes]

Originally Posted by franklinpeach

No one sells the good ones. You know that.

I'm sorry, but that's just not true. I've had a lot of old K's and have sold what I would consider to be the 3 best ones. I know a lot of people that have sold their best cymbals for various reasons.

However, I do agree about the other comments...Mathias has a great touch for old K's, which not many people have...old K's often sound like crap in drummers' hands because they don't know how to play them. Matthias also has very high end audio and video equipment, and knows how to use them to bring out the best in a cymbal. I played his 22" old stamp before he bought it, and wasn't particularly blown away by it. But when I saw his video of it, in his hands, I wish I'd bought it after all!

-Bill

[franklinpeach]

Originally Posted by mlvibes

I'm sorry, but that's just not true. I've had a lot of old K's and have sold what I would consider to be the 3 best ones. I know a lot of people that have sold their best cymbals for various reasons.

-Bill

I do see your point. I can recall a friend who sold his only 22" Old K (which was very nice) because he desperately needed the money for survival. Plus he realized that he didn't need a $3000 old K to be a good musician. It's icing on the cake, but not essential.

[blairndrums]

Originally Posted by Drumaholic

This is as close to time-capsule perfection as it gets. These are in mint condition except for the fingerprints. They probabaly belong to Kerope anyway. These gems spent 45 years in a box! It's about time that somebody took those damn things out of there. So here's my friend Matt taking them out for a "spin around the block":


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsEqeOLo_M0



He just picked these up yesterday from a collector in Montreaux. The first one of these sold on eBay before he got there.

Here's the eBay auction for the one he didn't get:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=110556491641





He had a chance to hear that 22" that had just sold a little earlier which was still at this guy's house. He said it wasn't that great. The 18" was on the auction block on eBay but the seller cancelled that auction for Matt. So Matt ended up getting all the remaining ones. These are the those 22" K's plus the 18" that are demonstrated for you here. He got them all for way below market prices.

Way to go Matt!

The seller offered me the 22"s for $750 for each (he had 7!)
Obviously,I told him I was very interested!!

A few days later,he said he was offered $1,500 for them each,and did I want to "go better" on the price ?.....

BTW.....I have sold drums/K cymbals to the "seller" for over 15 years,and never have raised my prices to him after we agreed upon them!

[drumhack]

Originally Posted by Drumaholic

What else are they for?

Well, I thought once the "collector" title was added to a drummer, he would get a pass for shelving a NOS 45 year old cymbal....LOL

[mlvibes]

Originally Posted by franklinpeach

I do see your point. I can recall a friend who sold his only 22" Old K (which was very nice) because he desperately needed the money for survival. Plus he realized that he didn't need a $3000 old K to be a good musician. It's icing on the cake, but not essential.

Yeah, I've known a few drummers that had to sell their K's for money. I've been there myself.

I do actually know the drummer that bought the 22 (wish it was me!), I'll see if I can get him to make a soundfile so that we can judge for ourselves how it sounds...

Originally Posted by blairndrums

The seller offered me the 22"s for $750 for each (he had 7!)
Obviously,I told him I was very interested!!

A few days later,he said he was offered $1,500 for them each,and did I want to "go better" on the price ?.....

That seems to happen more and more these days...I really hate that!!!

Thanks,
Bill

[Drumaholic]

Now it turns out that this seller reports that he's "found" another 2400 gram 22"intermediate stamp K. in that same "ominous box". It was purchased by an old Drummer from Montreux who visited the Istanbul factory in 1962. And this time he's sending it directly to Matt. So we can expect an update to this thread coming soon.

[Drumaholic]

Originally Posted by drumhack

Well, I thought once the "collector" title was added to a drummer, he would get a pass for shelving a NOS 45 year old cymbal....LOL

And the seller of this cymbal gets a pass for that very reason.

But Mat is a player/collector, so he doesn't get a pass. He must play this cymbal, otherwise he will find the "vintage cymbal police" knocking on his door.

[BosLover]

Originally Posted by drumhack

It is also interesting to me how the player of the cymbals in the video holds his stick where the butt end of the stick is inside the palm of his hand. I am going to try this. The videos I watched for holding a stick showed a different way but judging from these videos you put on here, that method works just fine.

My son plays exactly the same way. Butt in the palm of his hand and thumb up. It is definitely not the 'proper' way to hold a stick. But it works for him. I was his first teacher, but he was playing better than me by the time he was 14. Now that he's 21, he's an accomplished musician . I quit complaining about how he holds his right stick some time a go. He never listened to me anyway