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Old 01-30-2019, 04:57 AM
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Default Very Thin Old Avedis

Here's one for today..
A nice old Avedis 18". I got this today and it sounds great! There are three rivets installed. I think those were put there by a previous owner and I think his aim with the hammer was not true because somebody dinged this thing just above where one of the rivets are and it has resulted in a warpped edge, but I can live with it. It sounds very nice.
I've included a picture of the stamp. I think early 50's, but not sure.
It weighs 1120 grams. I've never had an 18" Avedis this thin before. Anybody out there own an 18" Avedis that's lighter than this? I'd like to hear about it.
I can whack a sound file of this up online somewhere if anyone wants to hear it
That is all. As you were...At ease. Carry on.
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Old 01-30-2019, 09:14 AM
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I’d love too
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Old 01-30-2019, 09:42 AM
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Nice cymbal. Early 50's would be a Trans Stamp and they do not have the dots in the USA. This one appears to be a late 50's Small Stamp. A measure of the height of the stamp would verify for sure. Great weight.

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Old 01-30-2019, 10:28 AM
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Nice cymbal. Early 50's would be a Trans Stamp and they do not have the dots in the USA. This one appears to be a late 50's Small Stamp. A measure of the height of the stamp would verify for sure. Great weight.

Mike
Thanks Mike. I thought there were 2 stamps in the early fiddies. The Joe Morello Take 5 Ride has a 50's stamp and that recerd was recorded in '51. I bet that's not even the actual ride.
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Old 01-30-2019, 03:14 PM
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The years for the stamps in the 1950s aren't known exactly, and neither are the boundaries between the decades defined exactly. There are at least 4 identified Transitional Stamps and they span the later half of the 40s through the early 50s. As Mike says all the Trans Stamps share the feature of not having dots in the U S A (among other things).

Then you have 3 Large stamps from the mid 1950s.

Then you have 2 Small stamps from the late 1950s, although once again we don't know exactly when the factory stopped using the Small Stamp dies and started using what we call the 60s dies. You can be fairly sure it wasn't December 31, 1959 or January 1, 1960. There are two identified Small stamp dies, and the one on your cymbal is thought to be the earlier of the two (called SSA) based on the top portion being incompletely pressed in. That is a proxy for measuring the width of the Zildjian Co accurately. The SSA version is maybe 1957ish, 1958ish. But I prefer to just say "late 50s" because we really don't know the years that accurately.

Your 18" is tied for lightest with one I have in my database for that production era. This was the graph a year ago.



As of today, there are 6 sub 1120g cymbals which include
  • A Zildjian & Cie Vintage crash (these were targeting Trans Stamps so that's not a suprise)
  • Two Large Stamps
  • One Trans Stamp
  • One 78-82 Crash (probably a Paper Thin but the model ink is gone)
  • One SSB (at 1115g it is slightly lighter than yours).
This is out of 305 18" Avedis Zildjian cymbals I've got weights for (excluding Swish models which tend to be light). So yours is in the lightest 2%. Nice find.

The Joe Morello Take 5 ride also has an SSA stamp (same as yours) and my information says Take 5 was recorded on July 1, 1959 for the Time Out album. This fits with it being a fairly new cymbal at the time. Where does your year for the recording come from?
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Old 01-30-2019, 04:06 PM
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Thanks for the information, Zenstats. I've just recorded a very basic sound file of this cymbal with a digital camera. No fancy microphones unfortunately. I'll upload it shortly along with the size of the stamp. I got another 50's 20" Ride which is 2000 grams. I just posted a thread about that recently that you might remember. That stamp was 1.5 inches.
More information to follow. I'd like an opinion on whether or not to lose the rivets.
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Old 01-30-2019, 04:34 PM
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1.25 inches. I thought I'd write that down before I forgot. The imperial system is the tool of the devil I tells ya. 1+4/16, 1+2/8, 1+1/4, 1.25
As clear as mud!
30mm

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Old 01-30-2019, 05:40 PM
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Here's how it sounds anyway. It's a very rough video.
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Old 01-30-2019, 05:58 PM
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With the good has to come the bad. I`d be lying if I said I liked it. It sounds like crap.

Nothing personal K !!
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Old 01-30-2019, 06:04 PM
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With the good has to come the bad. I`d be lying if I said I liked it. It sounds like crap.

Nothing personal K !!
Ha ha! I admire your honestly. No offense taken. It's not like I made the thing myself. I happen to think it sounds great, mind you. As far as old 18" A's go I mean, what do you want?
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