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Old 06-23-2016, 06:50 PM
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Cool Re: Zeppelin Wins 'Stairway to Heaven' Lawsuit

If they ever record or tour again, I`m sure Jason Bonham would be first pick!!

I`m glad Zep won!!

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Old 06-23-2016, 07:57 PM
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But as it's the blues is the problem really that they took the music or that they were more successful than anyone else? Which do you think it is? I lean a lot heavier towards the latter.
It's a good thought. (Let me first thank you for taking my comment as just conversation and not a argument).

I think things were just different then like it would be now. Tons of people would never had heard of those old blues players unless they were looking for them like Page had. So no one was questioning anything. Probably still aren't because not very many are into those old blues artist.

BUT......who was more successful doesn't take away from the fact that they did take something from the original artist without giving credit or financial duties to people who may have been dead already or died poor. I don't know, just my thoughts and it's been a long time since I've researched it so I don't have a bunch of facts.

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Old 06-23-2016, 08:39 PM
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Default Re: Zeppelin Wins 'Stairway to Heaven' Lawsuit

Peter Grant stated it the best. long ago !!
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Old 06-23-2016, 09:51 PM
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Looks like Zeppelin and Spirit ripped off the guitar riff from a 17th Century classical guitar piece. Don't believe me check out this link.

http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2016...eaven-lawsuit/
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Old 06-23-2016, 11:23 PM
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Looks like it runs in the Zepplin family....

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Old 06-24-2016, 03:57 PM
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I love Zeppelin but the crap they get for that first album is very much so deserved. I had a rock and roll history class at LCC here in MI. The professor was great and really into LZ and the blues. He played us comparisons of the two versions and they were blatant at best from what I remember. He said the reason there weren't law suits is because those blues songs weren't really copy written then. Pretty crazy! I still love Led Zeppelin. Once they got into their writing groove they were a freight train!

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Willie Dixon sued them back in the 70's for one of the songs off of Zeppelin II......Lemon Song or maybe Whole Lotta Love.....I forget which one exactly. He won! So if you have an early copy that didn't credit him on the label, it is worth more I'm told.

Also, it wouldn't be unlikely that they really did rip off the riff from Spirit and use it for Stairway. I have a bootleg of Zep playing Winterland Ballroom in '68 playing a cover of a Spirit song called Fresh Garbage.
They were on tour with Spirit for a while back then that year.

Is the riff similar? Sure. Is it a BLATANT rip-off? No.

Reminds of when CCR's record company sued John Fogherty over his songs from his solo album Center Field. They claimed they sounded similar to the CCR songs that they owned due to ripping him off blind years before. John Fogherty won. The judge reasoned that of course they sounded similar because he wrote both the CCR songs and the songs from Center Field, and also that it was impossible for him to plagarize himself.

Basically it comes down to nothing is new and everything is "stolen" or reused from somewhere........
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Old 06-24-2016, 04:00 PM
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Looks like it runs in the Zepplin family....
http://youtu.be/PcJrExewkYA
Heck, McCartney copied LR's "wooo" to to T. It's more flattery than ripping off in my book.
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Old 06-24-2016, 04:36 PM
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Heck, McCartney copied LR's "wooo" to to T. It's more flattery than ripping off in my book.
Sure, that kind of thing happens a lot. I hear songs all the time that sound very Beatlish. Nothing new, artist have always borrowed ideas from other artist and make it their own. My point was that John Bonham didn't come up with that drum intro.

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Old 06-24-2016, 08:21 PM
R.Adam McHugh R.Adam McHugh is offline
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Thinking about it mathematically, there are only 12 notes and 12 keys in the tempered scale and only so many harmonic combinations (okay, a lot but finite). There's bound to be crossovers, since we've been using this scale for centuries and there's been how many musicians and composers over the years ? and so much music out there that similarities are inevitable. Plus the fact that, as has been previously stated in other threads, artists do borrow. I just think it's **** that in such a risky and often low-paid business like this that so many musos are ready to shaft each other. It seems it ain't about the music anymore and more about the bucks. Just my
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Old 07-04-2016, 08:10 AM
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Thinking about it mathematically, there are only 12 notes and 12 keys in the tempered scale and only so many harmonic combinations (okay, a lot but finite). There's bound to be crossovers, since we've been using this scale for centuries and there's been how many musicians and composers over the years ? and so much music out there that similarities are inevitable. Plus the fact that, as has been previously stated in other threads, artists do borrow. I just think it's **** that in such a risky and often low-paid business like this that so many musos are ready to shaft each other. It seems it ain't about the music anymore and more about the bucks. Just my
Here is a video that covers this topic...BTW, it's a LOT!

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