13585 to be exact. I don't find mine to be particularly loud, but very precise and sharp. It's a very good rudimental drum, and perfect for tight funk grooves.

Please could you tell me what age thereabouts do you reckon it is from and which Factory?

Your Dyna 13585 would be circa 1968, Dayton OH era.

That drum was built in Covington, as all drums were before the move to Fullerton.

Dan,

Question on Rogers history: I thought both the Cleveland and Dayton era drums were manufactured in Covington (and just Rogers' business headquarters moved from Cleveland to Dayton), but didn't Rogers use a warehouse and shipping facility located elsewhere in Ohio, separate from Covington? I thought I heard this mentioned here once. Just curious.

(I've just got to get Cook's Rogers book!)

Mike

I have a 7 line #2811 with original factory 1st gen Beavertails. I know there are quite a few B&B drums with higher numbers. I also know that 2811 badge could have been sitting in the tag bin for several days, and just got passed up while they finished out the B&B shells. Still, I haven't seen a lower number on a Beavertail Dyna-Sonic.

Ive never seen any drums in the 2700 range (that I can recall) with Beavertails.

I also have 7 line #10407 (from Kelly Smith) and 5 line #13723 (purchased as a bare shell, all parts came from #12938 which was damaged beyond repair by a stairway). There is no noticeable weight difference between those two drums. #2811 is just slightly heavier (really just slightly), however it is missing the original top tall hoop. I have been looking for one of those for almost five years.

Comparatively, I have 1975 Fullerton era #53004 Oval Badge and 1977 2nd issue, front center badge Big R era #D716061 (my only snare for 20 years), #53004 is heavier than the front center badge Big R issue drum. All First Gen Big R era Dyna-Sonics were made with Oval Badge era shells, numbers into the higher D14000 range. The only one of these drums I own is a 6.5 and not in this comparison. First Issue front center badge Big R drums did not have a dampener, (high D14000s-D42000 five digit serial numbers). There are a few drums in the mid D30000 range with dampeners, but very few. These first Big R tags (five digit D series) were also very fragile and the facing would separate from the backing. They are also the Big R badges with the somewhat golden hue to them.

6.5" 1975 #D0413 Big R Oval Badge Shell is very close in weight to 6.5" 1981 front center badge Big R Polished Brass Shell #RD980347 (thanks Dan C). This seems to indicate the 6.5 drum shells of the Big R era were possibly produced to the same shell spec as the Oval Badge Fullerton 6.5" drums. Conversely, the 5" Big R shells, and, or, possibly the hardware was lighter than the Fullerton era Oval Badge 5" drums. I would have to strip two down to bare shells and compare weight.

Comparisons were done without a scale.

Not much difference in sound though.

Sorry ploughman you've kind of lost me there, other than they all pretty much sound the same. Thanks for the help guys.

It's got it's original cage, and more recently I bought a NOS Rogers Dyna snare set still in the original cardboard sleeve from the son of a retired drum shop owner. I think they cost me all of £11! I'll set the drum up with them at some point.

I read Ploughman's post twice myself. Interesting.

Perhaps I posted too much. What I meant to demonstrate are the differences through approximately 20 years of the Dyna-Sonic. There were different shells used, even though all of the five liners look the same overall. There were hardware changes, some of them significant. When compared with each other, you will notice differences in sound. I don't think most of us would recognize a different sound from a Dayton five liner to a late issue Big R when those two drums were played on different nights separate from each other.

Ploughman thank you for being so detailed. You know your stuff and you came to help.

But on the subject, is there an overall leader of the pack with these drums? Say a 7-liner over a Big R with front facing badge v an oval badge etc etc. Which is the one to find?