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Old 11-26-2011, 06:25 AM
Lee H Lee H is offline
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Default Strange mounting plate on Moon kit

If you look at the single Rogers tom mount on the kick on drummer's left, there appears to be an "iron cross" looking metal plate between the Rogers mounting plate and the shell.


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Anyone know what this might be? Custom made piece? Just Moon being Moon? I've seen it on other kits of his from this era (including the black kit I am working on) and was curious as to whether this was some kind of aftermarket reenforcement against his abuse of his hardware.

Any thoughts appreciated.

Lee
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Old 11-26-2011, 11:36 AM
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Default Re: Strange mounting plate on Moon kit

Legend has it that his tom stands/mounts and kicks were reinforced so that he could stand on them, although that doesn't seem likely with the Rogers mounts on this kit. If it was for the movie only, perhaps it didn't make a difference. What mounts did he use on other kits?

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Old 11-26-2011, 12:45 PM
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Default Re: Strange mounting plate on Moon kit

I thought that too, that this was just a decorative piece for the movie. But the same underplate appears on the black kit Moon used for Isle of Wight and other shows in the 1971-73 era. This kit used Rogers tom mounting hardware too.

Strange

L
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Old 11-26-2011, 12:58 PM
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Default Re: Strange mounting plate on Moon kit

I agree looks more decorative than structural bracing to me too. What a cool kit though.
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Old 11-27-2011, 03:51 AM
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Wow, Do i have a story about this set or one like it.Back in 92 or 93 i got to restore one of these sets of Moon's for the G.C. in Hollywood ca...Cindy Moon if i recall her name right give the set to the G.C. to put on display..When i worked on the set it had missing Rogers hardwear bottom rims front rims on the bass drums..Anyway the crosses you see on both bass drums {the one on the left has one also look at the double tom mount you will see it}-that was for a single tom mount like on the bass drum on the right..These crosses where their to reinforce the Rogers single tom mounts and bass drum shells.Also inside the bass drums had a piece of metal as a plate under the crosses.. In fact all the Rogers mounts had a reinforce plates inside each shell .Because he was so hard on the drums..Mikey
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Old 11-27-2011, 06:45 AM
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Wow, that is so cool!! I had seen shots of reinforcing plates inside the kicks for the spurs, but it makes sense that Moon would have had to reinforce the toms too, given the energy he attacked with.

But I am right in thinking that these plates on the top are in the shape of a Maltese Cross, right?

You didn't happen to take measurements! : )

Thanks Mikey777. It's these stories that make this place so rich.

L
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Old 11-30-2011, 09:53 AM
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Default Re: Strange mounting plate on Moon kit

Here's a rough mock up of the Maltese Cross mounting plate made of plastic card. I have a friend who does vintage car repair and restore who is going to fabricate the plates for me. Cool.

How does this look for size?

Lee
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Old 12-06-2011, 11:03 PM
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Mikey777, it seems your handiwork has moved across town from the GC in LA to the Grammy Museum in LA.

Two of my sisters (without knowing the other was doing so) stopped by and took some pics for me. A few are posted here including some close ups of the odd mounting plates for the toms and the kick spurs . . . really love to know where these things came from.

Lee
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Old 12-07-2011, 04:02 AM
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Mikey777, it seems your handiwork has moved across town from the GC in LA to the Grammy Museum in LA.

Two of my sisters (without knowing the other was doing so) stopped by and took some pics for me. A few are posted here including some close ups of the odd mounting plates for the toms and the kick spurs . . . really love to know where these things came from.

Lee
Lee, Let me get out my note book i have on these sets.Their are two sets of these drums one was only used in "Tommy" the other set was also used but played on stage.By the photos you posted the tom on the right is set up wrong on the bass drum it should be turned around the other way thats way their are two tom mounts on the drum the badge would face Mr.Moon i do recall one of the sets that i worked on had two tom mounts on the right bass drum thats way the tom-{single one}- had two mounts on it.This would be to hold the single tom closer to the other two toms on the other bass drum.Also in the photo the bass drums should be closer together not that far apart..As you called the bass pieces "Crosses" the pieces at the spurs are like "Stars" like..Just give me a few days i will get my notes out...Mikey
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Old 12-07-2011, 07:59 AM
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Default Re: Strange mounting plate on Moon kit

Thanks Mikey777.

Ya, the Museum looks like they could use some help. See the sign posted below which is full of inaccuracies. Ie they say the stands are Rogers, when clearly they are Premier's. And the kit was not used to record Tommy but rather was used in the filming of Tommy.

Anyway, yes the spur mounts look like space-age stars and the tom mount looks like a cross, or a shark or who knows what. They look like they may have been hand crafted, but I think they were on more than one of KM's kits, so maybe they were produced in quantity.

Lee
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