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Forum: Vintage Cymbals Yesterday, 06:03 PM
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Posted By zenstat
Re: Old Man Rant: How hard is it to spell cymbal?

The spelling is difficult for some people.

http://black.net.nz/old-k/images/its-a-cymbal.jpg
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 07-14-2018, 03:15 PM
Replies: 2
Views: 47
Posted By zenstat
Re: Is this 50s or 70s A Zildjian

That cymbal has a late 1950s Small Stamp. It passes these tests for not being a 70s:

http://black.net.nz/avedis/images/20-1775-stamp-test.jpg

http://black.net.nz/avedis/images/70s.jpg

It...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 07-13-2018, 04:23 PM
Replies: 7
Views: 80
Posted By zenstat
Re: Old K Stamp Identification.

If you follow the link I gave you will also see that the whole "& Cie" vs "& Co" ending on the company name does not mean what people think it means. This K Constantinople Stamp 4 is a "& Co" stamp...
Forum: For Sale 07-13-2018, 04:16 PM
Replies: 3
Views: 141
Posted By zenstat
Re: WFL Keystone Acrolite

Yes, common usage is to call these Ludwig rather than WFL. This distinguishes the 50s WFLs from the later Ludwig. But since William F Ludwig is responsible for it either way...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 07-13-2018, 03:40 PM
Replies: 7
Views: 80
Posted By zenstat
Re: Old K Stamp Identification.

That's not an Old Stamp IIa. It is from the K Zildjian Constantinople era. I've annotated the identifying attributes. There are some other subtle differences from the Old Stamp IIa, but the two I've...
Forum: Vintage Drums 07-12-2018, 03:58 PM
Replies: 15
Views: 220
Posted By zenstat
Re: Value of Date Stamp 1969 Acrolite

Thanks. I'm retired, but yes I was involved in consumer behavior and pricing research among other things. You can read up on my background here:

http://black.net.nz/zenstat.html

including my CV.
Forum: Vintage Drums 07-11-2018, 05:43 PM
Replies: 15
Views: 220
Posted By zenstat
Re: Value of Date Stamp 1969 Acrolite

Let's be specific about what currency we are reporting in. Are you saying CAN200? At today's exchange rate that is about USD135, so it is in line with the prices I have in my database. If you are...
Forum: Vintage Drums 07-10-2018, 05:59 PM
Replies: 15
Views: 220
Posted By zenstat
Re: Value of Date Stamp 1969 Acrolite

Based on my price tracking research the expected price would be about $130 with half selling for between $90 and $150. That's taking into account condition, proportion of original parts, and that...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 07-10-2018, 03:59 PM
Replies: 2
Views: 65
Posted By zenstat
Re: 16" Paiste 602

That guru designation simply reflects raw number of posts as a proxy for quality of information. I've just got data and I know how to use it. :)

#1 it is uncommon to be able to see the stamp from...
Forum: Vintage Drums 07-09-2018, 04:58 PM
Replies: 13
Views: 152
Posted By zenstat
Re: Late '60s LM402s

Until something new comes to light. :) I went and looked it up while you were posting. I had forgotten about the slight complexity of the Small Knob coming back for a reprise! That's another...
Forum: Vintage Drums 07-09-2018, 04:52 PM
Replies: 13
Views: 152
Posted By zenstat
Re: Late '60s LM402s

According to Gier (p22) this is the summary:

The Baseball Bat continues in use until about Feb 1968 and the 570000 serial number range. The Small Knob (3/4") tone control resurfaces when the...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 07-06-2018, 05:14 PM
Replies: 10
Views: 224
Posted By zenstat
Re: 2 Pairs of Vintage Hi hats - Need Identification Help

Just reporting back after a preliminary screen of the E shapes across Large Stamps, Small Stamps, 60s stamps and 70s stamps. Yes there are variations which might prove useful but you need a...
Forum: Vintage Drums 07-06-2018, 04:44 PM
Replies: 5
Views: 227
Posted By zenstat
Re: Ludwig snare

Thanks OddBall. I forgot about the Las Vegas model. It only seems to appear in the 1960 Ludwig catalog and it looks like a proof reading error in the text where it says "six" horizontal lugs. The...
Forum: Vintage Drums 07-05-2018, 11:37 PM
Replies: 5
Views: 227
Posted By zenstat
Re: Ludwig snare

Yes, I think Dw91290 might have used a 6 lug 3x13 Jazz Combo picture to illustrate an 8 lug 4x14 Downbeat. But it is sometimes hard to count the lugs in images from certain angles.

As far as the...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 07-03-2018, 04:37 PM
Replies: 10
Views: 224
Posted By zenstat
Re: 2 Pairs of Vintage Hi hats - Need Identification Help

Could be useful as a diagnostic. I've got hundreds of images in my reference collection for each stamp, and in order to test how well the differences you have noted distinguish one die from another I...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 07-03-2018, 04:25 PM
Replies: 7
Views: 118
Posted By zenstat
Re: Cymbal identification

That trademark stamp is called the Pyramid Stamp. I haven't been able to narrow down the manufacture years for these beyond saying 1950s to early 1960s and even those aren't certain. It's not that...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 07-02-2018, 06:05 PM
Replies: 10
Views: 224
Posted By zenstat
Re: 2 Pairs of Vintage Hi hats - Need Identification Help

The 1970s stamp:

http://black.net.nz/avedis/images/70s.jpg
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 07-02-2018, 06:04 PM
Replies: 10
Views: 224
Posted By zenstat
Re: 2 Pairs of Vintage Hi hats - Need Identification Help

1960s Tall Stamp. Because:

http://black.net.nz/avedis/images/22-3482-later60s-ruler.jpg

but you can check that the stamp is 1.5" tall to be sure.
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 06-25-2018, 03:31 PM
Replies: 5
Views: 166
Posted By zenstat
Re: 20in Big Stamp with 7 holes?

That's a mid 50s Large Stamp Hartrick Type I. The fact that you call it a "Big Stamp" and have "late 50s early 60s" tells me you haven't been looking at reliable sources for your identification. ;)
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Forum: Vintage Drums 06-16-2018, 11:12 PM
Replies: 29
Views: 697
Posted By zenstat
Re: Joe Morello tribute kit

Very lovely Joe Morello tribute kit you have there, Gvdadrummasum. If I wanted to get a set of the period correct cymbals for that kit I'd go for a set of Small Stamp (Late 50s) cymbals. The real...
Forum: Vintage Drums 06-15-2018, 06:28 PM
Replies: 49
Views: 970
Posted By zenstat
Re: Need Help identifying ludwig black panther set?

Thanks for the additional pictures. You've confirmed what I saw in the original group photo, and added a few more.

Expected prices for your Zildjian cymbals are available on my site via my...
Forum: Vintage Drums 06-10-2018, 04:16 PM
Replies: 17
Views: 462
Posted By zenstat
Re: eBay

Here's another example of how shallow algorithms used by the eBay programmers sometimes send you off to things which humans would know are not a match. The word "signature" is shared by a Paiste line...
Forum: Vintage Drums 06-08-2018, 09:15 PM
Replies: 17
Views: 462
Posted By zenstat
Re: eBay

I'm just guessing but it may turn out that the programmers use a simple metric to assess "similarity" to the item you were watching. Things like matches on model, type, brand, MPN, UPC (these are...
Forum: Vintage Drums 06-07-2018, 11:55 PM
Replies: 17
Views: 462
Posted By zenstat
Re: eBay

Yes I noticed that too Mike. Advanced either loses your search terms (not helpful) or in other contexts it sometimes reverts to an "all of eBay" search instead of whatever category (say, vintage...
Forum: Vintage Drums 06-07-2018, 11:49 PM
Replies: 17
Views: 462
Posted By zenstat
Re: eBay

Thanks for the link. Very helpful. What the eBay programmers have done is substituted a new URL with a variable at the end ?oid=282984166573 which is the item link you should have been going to. The...
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