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Forum: Vintage Drums Today, 03:40 PM
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Posted By zenstat
Re: Vintage Ludwig 3-ply, 12x18 Bop!

http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=127560&d=1568671112



Yes it came with a Downbeat. That probably increased the price although there are other factors. This one ticks...
Forum: Vintage Drums Yesterday, 03:42 PM
Replies: 31
Views: 363
Posted By zenstat
Re: Vintage Ludwig 3-ply, 12x18 Bop!

Vintage Jazzette kits come up for sale about three per year on average (38 in 13 years). Orphan 12x18 bass drums come up less frequently. So it's possible. I got my kit in Feb 2004, which is when I...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 09-14-2019, 09:39 PM
Replies: 11
Views: 1,240
Posted By zenstat
Re: Paiste People ??

It is also not the only use of Stambul. Here is another use of the name Stambul on what claims to be a Made in Turkey cymbal. Diameter 11" and 300g.
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 09-12-2019, 04:01 PM
Replies: 4
Views: 1,968
Posted By zenstat
Re: Paiste Stanople-Swiss Made

That Stanople is not a Paiste Stanople trademark. Paiste Stanoples come from Switzerland or Germany.

http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=127482&d=1568321449
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Forum: For Sale 08-31-2019, 02:43 PM
Replies: 5
Views: 487
Posted By zenstat
Re: 1950's Zildjian 22" Large Stamp Type I (LS1) Ride Cymbal

If you follow the link to the eBay auction it says

"It weighs 2610 grams."

but that auction is also marked "no longer available" so I don't know if the cymbal has gone or it is just that it is...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 08-25-2019, 03:30 PM
Replies: 47
Views: 11,572
Posted By zenstat
Re: How to date Black Label Paiste 2002 Cymbals

And here is a textbook example of how people get 1971 for a 1981 serial number if they don't know about the changes to the Patent List and are misled by the interwebs (and Paiste) saying serial...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 08-22-2019, 01:18 AM
Replies: 11
Views: 981
Posted By zenstat
Re: Small vs. Large (modern) holes on Cymbals

It is a 2013 resurrect so we won't be doing to much disservice to the original post.

That looks like a Hartrick Type IIb to me. To tell a IIb from a IIIa or IIIb

I look at

MADE IN TURKEY...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 08-21-2019, 05:57 PM
Replies: 11
Views: 981
Posted By zenstat
Re: Small vs. Large (modern) holes on Cymbals

We can identify it for you if you post pictures of the trademarks.
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 08-21-2019, 03:24 PM
Replies: 11
Views: 981
Posted By zenstat
Re: Small vs. Large (modern) holes on Cymbals

The evidence from Avedis Zildjian is 1958 or so for a shift from 7/16" to 8/16" (aka half inch).

http://black.net.nz/avedis/holes.html

It looks like Italian cymbals are roughly the same but the...
Forum: Vintage Drums 08-18-2019, 04:34 PM
Replies: 28
Views: 623
Posted By zenstat
Re: Identification...Ludwig Thermogloss Over Natural Mahogany?

Slingerfan meant the Vintage Cymbal forum of this site not some different site. This thread is a good example of decade out of data info and the reluctance of some people to move on.
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Forum: Vintage Cymbals 08-14-2019, 04:44 PM
Replies: 47
Views: 11,572
Posted By zenstat
Re: How to date Black Label Paiste 2002 Cymbals

One change in the patent list (for both SE hats and Flats) is not just the list of countries. It seems to be the inclusion or exclusion of the phrase "Other Countries Pending" at the bottom of the...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 08-13-2019, 06:44 PM
Replies: 47
Views: 11,572
Posted By zenstat
Re: How to date Black Label Paiste 2002 Cymbals

I've got more details and data on these engraved dates.

http://black.net.nz/paiste/images/f602-3-72-15SE-1.jpg

We know from two different sources at Paiste (one was Erik Paiste) that these may...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 08-12-2019, 04:07 PM
Replies: 47
Views: 11,572
Posted By zenstat
Re: How to date Black Label Paiste 2002 Cymbals

If they said "in the 1970s" or "around 1970" I could agree. If they said "some time during 1971" I could agree pending a bit more evidence. We are really just talking about a few months when we are...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 08-11-2019, 03:30 PM
Replies: 2
Views: 181
Posted By zenstat
Re: My Paiste 602's

Great photos and thanks for the weights.
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 08-11-2019, 03:25 PM
Replies: 24
Views: 706
Posted By zenstat
Re: Post your Pre-trans Stamp Avedis Zildjians

Nice collection Mike. As you know I've been working on the timeline of ink stamps so your 15" is of particular interest. The trademark fits the late 50s Small Stamp era so quite a bit later than Pre...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 08-10-2019, 05:14 PM
Replies: 47
Views: 11,572
Posted By zenstat
Re: How to date Black Label Paiste 2002 Cymbals

The evidence I'd like to see is a Giant Beat with a 6 digit serial number starting with a 1. Giant Beats were produced 1967-1974 so there shouldn't be a possibility of 1 being 1981 as there is with...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 08-10-2019, 03:48 PM
Replies: 24
Views: 706
Posted By zenstat
Re: Post your Pre-trans Stamp Avedis Zildjians

Nice to see this one again. You still hold the top place in my database for longest time lag between manufacture and first retail purchase. :)
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 08-08-2019, 07:20 PM
Replies: 24
Views: 706
Posted By zenstat
Re: Post your Pre-trans Stamp Avedis Zildjians

I've already documented 5 stamps which predate Trans Stamps, and there is a strong possibility there are more. Here is the link showing the details:

http://black.net.nz/avedis/pre-trans.html

I...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 08-08-2019, 03:53 PM
Replies: 47
Views: 11,572
Posted By zenstat
Re: How to date Black Label Paiste 2002 Cymbals

I think you need a better case.

Other forums:

What is on other forums (including this one) is not evidence by itself. It is the same misinformation repeated over and over again, sometimes with...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 08-08-2019, 02:05 AM
Replies: 47
Views: 11,572
Posted By zenstat
Re: How to date Black Label Paiste 2002 Cymbals

I respectfully disagree. I've spent years working all this stuff out and am happy to change the wiki if you have proper evidence of serial numbers in use in 1971. So far they begin in mid 1972. Some...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 08-07-2019, 03:58 PM
Replies: 18
Views: 3,706
Posted By zenstat
Re: A Rare vintage Paiste

This is a resurrect of a 2009 thread so if it is the same cymbal that would be interesting, to say the least.

The URL of the CL Davis offering:
...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 08-02-2019, 01:20 AM
Replies: 6
Views: 367
Posted By zenstat
Re: Are Formula 602 16" Crashes More Rare

All prices are in USD and exclude shipping.

If that still has the Thin Crash ink visible then that helps pin down the price estimate. Based on 54 sales (brand new analysis since the numbers I...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 08-01-2019, 11:12 PM
Replies: 6
Views: 367
Posted By zenstat
Re: Are Formula 602 16" Crashes More Rare

A pre serial 602 20" in good condition sells for a little less than 16" in good condition as a general rule. The difference is small: 20" $188 (n=193 sales) vs 16" $192 (n=29 sales). In order to pin...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 08-01-2019, 03:50 PM
Replies: 47
Views: 11,572
Posted By zenstat
Re: How to date Black Label Paiste 2002 Cymbals

and the Paiste-Only Wiki is reconstructed here as part of a bigger wiki:

http://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_Serial_Numbers

My "cheat sheet" for serial number decoding includes a warning about...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 07-28-2019, 03:27 PM
Replies: 39
Views: 8,549
Posted By zenstat
Re: 26" Paiste Formula 602 Medium Ride

Welcome The Paco

Last time it was "how far we have come since 2011". Now it is how far we have come in the last year. The lost Paiste-Only Wiki is on its way back, although we still have lots to...
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