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Forum: Vintage Cymbals 08-26-2019, 03:59 PM
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Re: How to date Black Label Paiste 2002 Cymbals

Another giveaway is the Hi Hat text stamped on the top of the cymbals. This was added in late 1978 or early 1979. Prior to the that the stamping was just SE Top or SE Bottom
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 08-23-2019, 10:05 AM
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Re: Paiste People ??

seems to be the case, but "Stambul" is also a neighborhood in Istanbul
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 08-21-2019, 11:53 AM
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Re: 2002 black label 21"? medium crash/ride

the odd size BL 2002 (17-19-21) were not custom order they were added to 2002 in 1979 and sold throughout the 80s
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 08-21-2019, 11:37 AM
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Posted By monkeyboy827
Re: Paiste Stanople-Swiss Made

Ludwig Standards are very similar to Paiste Stambuls but with better lathing (imho)
They were made in both Ns12 and later in B8

The Stanople was made by Paiste for Ludwig and is very similar to...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 08-21-2019, 11:24 AM
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Re: Paiste 1000 series

There were two different Paiste 1000 lines and it is important to be clear about which one is talking about

The standard green label 1000s which also came as Rude. These were midline type cymbals....
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 08-21-2019, 11:21 AM
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Re: Paiste People ??

The Stambul in the catalog is referring to the location of K Zildjian at the time. It is not referencing the Paiste cymbal line.


The cymbal pictured is from the 50s and is Paiste Stambul China...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 08-21-2019, 10:55 AM
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Posted By monkeyboy827
Re: Small vs. Large (modern) holes on Cymbals

I believe it was in 1958. That is when the stands starting going to the 8mm tilter posts meaning a bigger hole size was needed.
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 08-21-2019, 10:46 AM
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Posted By monkeyboy827
Re: Paiste black label 505 nos score

Black Label 505s were around from 1978 to early 1981

The 1974 date start date for this line is one of the common Paiste historical errors that are unfortunately all over the internet.

404 and...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 08-21-2019, 10:42 AM
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Views: 3,132
Posted By monkeyboy827
Re: Ludwig Standard Cymbal

Both factories made the Ludwig Standard during the late 50s and 60s.

That chart on NF Drums has a lot of erroneous info regarding on what was being done in each factory.
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 08-21-2019, 08:01 AM
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Posted By monkeyboy827
Re: Zilko, what have I bought

Hey Bart,

the Zilko was a brass cymbal made by Paiste from 1947 to 1958/9


If it has Switzerland on it, it was made in 1957 or early 1958

If it does not have Switzerland on it, it was made...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 08-21-2019, 07:55 AM
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Posted By monkeyboy827
Re: Paiste 2002 black label mediums/Tony william's K Zildjian 22 ride.

Yes they made 17" and 19" (and 21") Black Label Mediums.

They came out in late 1978 or early 1979, so they were only made for the last 2 or so years of the Black Label era which is why there...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 08-21-2019, 07:52 AM
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Posted By monkeyboy827
Re: Strange Black and Red Label Paiste 2002 Medium ??

Looks like a Black Label that someone added a red Paiste logo to.
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 08-21-2019, 07:50 AM
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Posted By monkeyboy827
Re: Paiste 2002 16" ride (black label)

Yes, OP's cymbal is a 1974

Paiste also made 13, 14, and 15" Rides back then too.
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 08-21-2019, 07:47 AM
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Views: 1,144
Posted By monkeyboy827
Re: Paiste 24" Giant Beat White Label

Aussie,

post some pics of your Black Label Giant Beat please!!!
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 08-21-2019, 07:29 AM
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Posted By monkeyboy827
Re: Charlie Watts - Paiste and Supra?

The China looks like it has a black Paiste logo which means it's a Sound Creation Dark China. An 18" or 20" - probably an 18".

The big cymbal by his FT looks like it might be his old 20" Giant...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 08-20-2019, 02:56 PM
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Posted By monkeyboy827
Re: My Vintage 602 Collection is growing!

so far it looks like are 3 different patent stamps with the early SE hats

1) pat. pending - this will be found on the very early models made in or closer to 1967
2) 4 country stamp - this came...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 08-20-2019, 10:11 AM
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Posted By monkeyboy827
Re: Black Label Paiste 2002's

The 2002 Bell, Splash, Heavy Ride, Heavy Hats and Flat Ride did not come out until 1975. They were not part of the original release in 1971.

Nor were the 17", 19" and 21" sizes. Those didn't come...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 08-20-2019, 09:54 AM
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Posted By monkeyboy827
Re: How to date Black Label Paiste 2002 Cymbals

Steve, looks like 1975 was the last year of "Other Countries Pending" on the SE Patent Stamp.

Found an early 1976 pair of 2002s without the additional text, same goes for 1977.
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 08-20-2019, 09:11 AM
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Views: 12,907
Posted By monkeyboy827
Re: How to date Black Label Paiste 2002 Cymbals

Here is a pic of the 4 Country patent stamp this was used right around 1970 maybe into 1971.

The six country stamp definitely comes into use by 1972 as I found it stamped on a pair of SE with a...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 08-20-2019, 08:15 AM
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Views: 12,907
Posted By monkeyboy827
Re: How to date Black Label Paiste 2002 Cymbals

I think there most likely was a phase in 602 where they stamped "PAISTE" over the bell before the two-line stamped was introduced. As the first 2002s w/o serials have this one-line stamp chances are...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 08-16-2019, 03:41 PM
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Posted By monkeyboy827
Re: Zilco

Okay coming back to this as I have found some more 50s Paiste catalogs and have some more thoughts on this topic.


Almost positive now all Paiste Zilko cymbals are indeed all made of brass and...
Forum: Wanted to Buy 08-16-2019, 11:03 AM
Replies: 5
Views: 1,033
Posted By monkeyboy827
Re: Paiste sound creation.

There were 13" Dark Medium and Dark Heavy Hi Hats (as well as SE versions in both weghts) released around 1985

There was a 16" New Dimensions Dark Crash.

These were catalogue items.

But if...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 08-14-2019, 08:07 AM
Replies: 47
Views: 12,907
Posted By monkeyboy827
Re: How to date Black Label Paiste 2002 Cymbals

With the Flats I don't think I ever I notated the changes with the patent stamps anywhere will have to look at some pics to check on that.

Imo the earliest of the Flats from 1967 (not stamped as...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 08-14-2019, 08:01 AM
Replies: 47
Views: 12,907
Posted By monkeyboy827
Re: How to date Black Label Paiste 2002 Cymbals

Variations of the Patent Pending stamp on preserial 602 Sound Edge Hats

1. Pat. Pending 1967 until at least July 1969

2. Patent numbers from 4 countries on stamp (Swiss, Great Britain, Italy,...
Forum: Vintage Cymbals 08-14-2019, 07:50 AM
Replies: 47
Views: 12,907
Posted By monkeyboy827
Re: How to date Black Label Paiste 2002 Cymbals

Awesome - I hadn't heard that before, that the etching referred to reworks, but essentially it shows the same thing - the cymbals being modified were originally made just prior to or in early 1972...
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