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Forum: Vintage Drums 06-01-2020, 12:25 PM
Replies: 6
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Posted By K.O.
Re: Ludwig Standards with Resocoat and date stamps?

Appears to be Bronze Strata, which is one of the harder Strata finishes to find.
Forum: Vintage Drums 05-31-2020, 05:22 PM
Replies: 6
Views: 113
Posted By K.O.
Re: Ludwig Standards with Resocoat and date stamps?

Early Standards had white resocoat interiors. At least the first few months of production.
Forum: Vintage Drums 05-30-2020, 09:53 AM
Replies: 10
Views: 184
Posted By K.O.
Re: Rogers "Butterfly" Wing screw sizes?

Any of those should be available at any full line hardware store so you could buy a short bolt in each of those sizes (for very little $) and then use those to determine which is the size you need.
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Forum: Vintage Drums 05-29-2020, 04:58 PM
Replies: 10
Views: 184
Posted By K.O.
Re: Rogers "Butterfly" Wing screw sizes?

Almost certainly 1/4-20 thread. I know some of my Rogers stands use a bigger thread which I believe is 5/16-24 (might be 5/16ths-18). The next size up is 3/8th-16 or 24. It pretty much has to be one...
Forum: Vintage Drums 05-29-2020, 04:52 PM
Replies: 8
Views: 263
Posted By K.O.
Re: Playing (preying) on the nostalgia factor........

I think what happened in this case was Ludwig saw that Gary Astridge was able to sell his Ringo snare copies for $15,000 apiece. Other than the throw off and not being signed on the interior by Ringo...
Forum: Vintage Drums 05-26-2020, 01:41 PM
Replies: 31
Views: 783
Posted By K.O.
Re: Help Identifying this Ludwig

Just a theory of course but the switching back and forth between clear and granitone interiors may have been based on the grade of wood Ludwig had available at a given time. Nice looking maple would...
Forum: Vintage Drums 05-25-2020, 01:34 PM
Replies: 31
Views: 783
Posted By K.O.
Re: Help Identifying this Ludwig

During the 3 ply era Ludwig only made one type of drum shell that was used for everything. It doesn't matter if you call them "classics" or "Super Classics" they were all the same (or at least...
Forum: Vintage Drums 05-21-2020, 02:51 PM
Replies: 13
Views: 975
Posted By K.O.
Re: Wow these Ludwig toms 1960s

Each badge is worth more than you paid for everything, Hard to go wrong.
Forum: Vintage Drums 05-18-2020, 09:51 PM
Replies: 8
Views: 351
Posted By K.O.
Re: Is Steve Maxwell still making reproduction parts?

I bought a Slingerland leg bracket in person at the Illinois store right before this Covid mess descended upon us. I asked about the rail mounts and was told they were no longer available. Poking...
Forum: Vintage Drums 05-17-2020, 09:41 AM
Replies: 11
Views: 408
Posted By K.O.
Re: Ludwig Classic Lugs-Different Sizes on Toms?

There's the big and small classic lugs that both originated in the WFL years and then the mini lugs version that (I think) first popped up in the 1990s on some of the lower tier lines. That teeny...
Forum: Vintage Drums 05-16-2020, 02:33 PM
Replies: 11
Views: 408
Posted By K.O.
Re: Ludwig Classic Lugs-Different Sizes on Toms?

I guess I'm too used to the way most vintage sets look because those large lugs look odd to me on a 12". Too big for the drum. Maybe on a power tom that diameter but on an 8" deep drum they look to...
Forum: Vintage Drums 05-15-2020, 08:47 PM
Replies: 11
Views: 408
Posted By K.O.
Forum: Vintage Drums 05-15-2020, 07:42 AM
Replies: 11
Views: 408
Posted By K.O.
Re: Ludwig Classic Lugs-Different Sizes on Toms?

Ludwig toms, 12" and under, used the smaller lugs for at least 30 years (early 1950s to early 1980s) so that is definitely the "normal" setup on a vintage set. The small lugs also appeared on all...
Forum: Vintage Drums 05-09-2020, 04:17 PM
Replies: 21
Views: 853
Posted By K.O.
Re: Ludwig Pioneer vs. Ludwig Jazz Fest

A mod orange Pioneer popped up on ebay probably 15-18 years ago. It started at a dollar by folks with no idea what is was other than an old drum they found. Sold for $1200. Oyster Black Pioneers can...
Forum: Vintage Drums 05-09-2020, 08:43 AM
Replies: 21
Views: 853
Posted By K.O.
Re: Ludwig Pioneer vs. Ludwig Jazz Fest

A drum shell off the stack in the factory had equal potential to become either a Pioneer or a Jazz Festival right up to the moment the worker put it on the drilling jig. Then it assumed its new...
Forum: Vintage Drums 05-05-2020, 02:34 PM
Replies: 5
Views: 255
Posted By K.O.
Re: Dating Ludwig 401

Mr. Carlos is much more in tune with this upper echelon market than I am so I'd say his estimate is going to be more accurate. I tend to be conservative when it comes to pricing estimates, probably...
Forum: Vintage Drums 05-05-2020, 10:06 AM
Replies: 5
Views: 255
Posted By K.O.
Re: Dating Ludwig 401

Well, unless my eyes and computer monitor are deceiving me, that appears to be a lacquered brass shell from sometime around 1961-early 1963 (pre serial # keystone badge). If it's all original it's...
Forum: Vintage Drums 04-28-2020, 08:47 PM
Replies: 39
Views: 1,545
Posted By K.O.
Re: Slingerland Black Diamond Pearl

You might consider getting a Ludwig style upright for your rail (or better yet an unbranded repro version). In around 1967 Ludwig dropped the "telephone dial" design and went to a ratcheted design...
Forum: Vintage Drums 04-25-2020, 05:18 PM
Replies: 185
Views: 23,117
Posted By K.O.
Re: Record Covers with (vintage) Drums on!

Didn't Jack Sperling play on Fever?

He is on this clip

Peggy Lee: Fever! - YouTube
Forum: Vintage Drums 04-22-2020, 06:32 PM
Replies: 4
Views: 467
Posted By K.O.
Re: Rogers Bread and Butter metal Dynasonic lug issues

The brass lugs did not have the threaded bosses in them as the bolts just threaded into the flat tabs. Therefore if the holes were bigger than the bolts the lugs could be misaligned on the shell, but...
Forum: Vintage Drums 04-21-2020, 09:32 AM
Replies: 6
Views: 409
Posted By K.O.
Re: New old school hardware from A & F

Some neat ideas there. I kind of like the cymbal stand. The base is reminiscent of the early Slingerland "Buddy Rich" cymbal stands but with more adjustability. As for snare stands I much prefer the...
Forum: Vintage Drums 04-17-2020, 07:07 PM
Replies: 10
Views: 480
Posted By K.O.
Re: Help needed on identifying Ludwig drum

The blue paint is wrong for any era. Now the question is whether the badge is the right one for the drum or one somebody stuck on there. A WFL tom probably would have had glass glitter wrap. Does the...
Forum: Vintage Drums 04-15-2020, 08:21 PM
Replies: 8
Views: 405
Posted By K.O.
Re: Stan Leveys Ludwig drums

Looks like a 12x22 to me as well. 10 lugs almost certainly means a 22" (or larger).

Catalog New Yorker set was a 12x22 bass and an 8x12 mounted tom, no floor tom but of course no big deal to order...
Forum: Vintage Drums 04-13-2020, 07:18 AM
Replies: 11
Views: 662
Posted By K.O.
Re: Would You

So it's a Downbeat set with a 13" add on tom and the bass drum redrilled for a double mount. The 14" floor is worth a pretty good chunk of change by itself ($400+). Unfortunate about the mods to the...
Forum: Vintage Drums 04-11-2020, 09:08 AM
Replies: 1
Views: 173
Posted By K.O.
Re: Ludwig Bass T-Rods and Claws

I'm not aware of any repro Ludwig rods or claws. My inclination would be that the Rocker ones came from a different supplier whose tooling was slightly different. It might be that Ludwig had their...
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