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infiniteninjas 10-26-2016 01:12 AM

Mystery Turkish(?) Arabic Stamp - Not an Old K Con
 
eBay seller says this is a K Constantinople but I'm not so sure. Has anyone here ever seen this stamp before? It does not match even the very old early 1900's or prior K Con stamps that I've seen examples of. But it does appear Arabic.

Lookin for some info on this one.

infiniteninjas 10-26-2016 01:13 AM

Re: Mystery Turkish(?) Arabic Stamp - Not an Old K Con
 
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ooops, here's the photo

infiniteninjas 10-26-2016 01:14 AM

Re: Mystery Turkish(?) Arabic Stamp - Not an Old K Con
 
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and here's the rest of it. Looks to be old B20 bronze.

OddBall 10-26-2016 10:14 AM

Re: Mystery Turkish(?) Arabic Stamp - Not an Old K Con
 
Well it`s Navy, and they have a Base in Turkey for over 60 years now.

Drumaholic says there are or were a few Zildjian wannabee`s in Turkey.

zenstat 10-26-2016 02:15 PM

Re: Mystery Turkish(?) Arabic Stamp - Not an Old K Con
 
see: http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/show...light=ersatz+k

You may need to reorient yours to see it is more of a match for the Ersatz K stamp on the left of Drumaholic's comparison than the earliest K Zildjian Constantinople stamp he shows there.

OddBall 10-26-2016 03:07 PM

Re: Mystery Turkish(?) Arabic Stamp - Not an Old K Con
 
You nailed it Zen.........

infiniteninjas 10-26-2016 04:04 PM

Re: Mystery Turkish(?) Arabic Stamp - Not an Old K Con
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zenstat (Post 398938)
see: http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/show...light=ersatz+k

You may need to reorient yours to see it is more of a match for the Ersatz K stamp on the left of Drumaholic's comparison than the earliest K Zildjian Constantinople stamp he shows there.

Hmm, I don't see that comparison no matter how I orient my photo. Maybe it's a different knockoff. I really don't think it could be a real K Con.

OddBall 10-26-2016 04:39 PM

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The one on the left is most likely your stamp,...it was struck differently and probably a duplicate die,...I see everything in it as in yours. Yours is very faded and some of it is no longer there.

zenstat 10-26-2016 10:44 PM

Re: Mystery Turkish(?) Arabic Stamp - Not an Old K Con
 
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Originally Posted by infiniteninjas (Post 398948)
Hmm, I don't see that comparison no matter how I orient my photo. Maybe it's a different knockoff. I really don't think it could be a real K Con.

The one on the cymbal you are asking about isn't exactly the same as the ersatz k one Drumaholic showed. That's why I said "is more of a match" rather than "is exactly the same". Sorry if I wasn't clear enough. There are a number of different ersatz k stamps, and I suspect that Drumaholic may have a collection of different photos. You can actually see two different versions in that thread I linked to. The original question showed a different one from the one which Drumaholic used in his comparison. The ersatz k stamps share certain pictorial elements which are different from the pictorial elements in the K Zildjian Constantinople stamps. I'll see if I can annotate the differences.

zenstat 10-27-2016 12:06 AM

Re: Mystery Turkish(?) Arabic Stamp - Not an Old K Con
 
So here we are with some annotated pictures. I don't have an existing naming convention to use, so I'm making up names for the pictorial elements. Here is the comparison annotated

http://black.net.nz/cym2016/ersatz1.jpg

and the original stamp from the thread which is different in some details from the one Drumaholic used, but I've shown some common pictorial elements

http://black.net.nz/cym2016/ersatz2.png

Then the one you are asking about with some pictorial elements shown

http://black.net.nz/cym2016/ersatz3.jpg

and finally a K Zildjian Constantinople stamp showing some of the common pictorial elements it shares with the K Con example Drumaholic gave.

http://black.net.nz/cym2016/ersatz4.jpg

I have only given a brief sketch of what actually gets done to do proper artifact analysis using pictorial attributes. Hopefully you see what I mean now. The stamp impression you are asking about isn't all that clear and the photo is quite small. If we had a better and bigger photo we might be able to see a bit more.


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