80's Drummer Audition

[backbeatkeeper]

Grow out the mullets, boys!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8gKmoGJTwk

[mcjnic]

Icky. He's really not playing much of anything. Cool twirling, but that's really more of a "girl in a short cheerleader skirt flipping a baton around" kind of thing. I'm sorry guys. I don't like it.
...and get off my grass you young hoodlums!

[Ludwig-dude]

Thats the worst miming job to a music track I've seen since Keith Moon.......but then again Keith did that on purpose because he hated miming to a track! This guy just has no clue.......

[Ludwig-dude]

Thats about as bad as this video......probably closer to reality too.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taB3U0b9zdA

[latzanimal]

The first guy is using an 80's product called "Spinners". They were a pair of rings connected that allowed you to spin your sticks. You can see the black bands around his fingers when he does a fill. Also, he is too far to one end of the stick to spin them that easily. Could you imagine the nightmare trying to mike this guy, he hardly hits the cymbals sometimes which would drive the FOH guy nuts!! DOH

[Webmaster]

I was working on one of the TDE sites which is all about stick tricks.. I did find it interesting that stick tricks and spinning is attributed to some well known current drummers when in fact drummers like Lionel Hampton had an excellent stick trick routine.

There are plenty of other early greats that did all kinds of tricks and show style drumming to enhance their solos and fills.

Everything is taken to an extreme!

David

[Ludwig-dude]

I was working on one of the TDE sites which is all about stick tricks.. I did find it interesting that stick tricks and spinning is attributed to some well known current drummers when in fact drummers like Lionel Hampton had an excellent stick trick routine.

There are plenty of other early greats that did all kinds of tricks and show style drumming to enhance their solos and fills.

Everything is taken to an extreme!

David

Lets not forget Buddy Rich and his stick tricks...Clapping Happy2

[backbeatkeeper]

The first guy is using an 80's product called "Spinners". They were a pair of rings connected that allowed you to spin your sticks. You can see the black bands around his fingers when he does a fill. Also, he is too far to one end of the stick to spin them that easily. Could you imagine the nightmare trying to mike this guy, he hardly hits the cymbals sometimes which would drive the FOH guy nuts!! DOH

If they are connected to the stick, then how does he detach them to flip them up in the air??? Inquiring minds want to know....DOH

[latzanimal]

If they are connected to the stick, then how does he detach them to flip them up in the air??? Inquiring minds want to know....DOH

Hmm.. Don't know. I never had any.

OK, maybe he's not using them. I can admit when I'm wrong. Besides, if you ask my wife, I'm rarely right... about anything :D

[AZBill]

I, I, I, I, don't know about all that mess. Was the first dude the guy that got the gig playing in the band "Europe"? Everything is just too pretty; the hair, the kit, the spinny-ginny, twirly-swirly stick-stuff is way over the top - maybe I'm just jealous cause I cant even twirl my hair. Then again, it was an '80's audition. Some things should be left to die.

[tada---da---da--da--daaaa]

What he's serious? I thought was the drumming equivalent to that comedy gymnast who performs those appalling accidents?

[drumhack]

I, I, I, I, don't know about all that mess. Was the first dude the guy that got the gig playing in the band "Europe"? Everything is just too pretty; the hair, the kit, the spinny-ginny, twirly-swirly stick-stuff is way over the top - maybe I'm just jealous cause I cant even twirl my hair. Then again, it was an '80's audition. Some things should be left to die.

I disagree. 80's rock was probably some of the most influential music of all time and I wouldn't trade you one of my Ratt or Britney Fox albums for fifty jazz albums!!!!!!!

[drumhack]

Thats the worst miming job to a music track I've seen since Keith Moon.......but then again Keith did that on purpose because he hated miming to a track! This guy just has no clue.......

Keith Moon is the drumming equivalent to Jimmi Hendrix. A decent musician who is placed higher on the pedestal than he should be because of his antics and "chemically altered" condition. What a pro, they had to pull guys out of the freaking audience to play drums at their concerts half the time cause this guy was falling down drunk or worse...................

[Mike T]

he was not using spinners as stated as he quite often tossed the sticks and switched hands with them i agree it is not my cup of tea lol but he has great timing even if he hits like a girl... give him his props he practises he must have played that song 200 times and that in it's self is punishment enough...:)

[Ludwig-dude]

Keith Moon is the drumming equivalent to Jimmi Hendrix. A decent musician who is placed higher on the pedestal than he should be because of his antics and "chemically altered" condition. What a pro, they had to pull guys out of the freaking audience to play drums at their concerts half the time cause this guy was falling down drunk or worse...................

I agree....Keith Moon is one of my favorite drummers....but you didn't READ what I said...worst MIMING to a song.....you know, lip synch?

[Ludwig-dude]

I disagree. 80's rock was probably some of the most influential music of all time and I wouldn't trade you one of my Ratt or Britney Fox albums for fifty jazz albums!!!!!!!

Popular....yes....influential....not so much. 70's rock sure I'll give you that, but 80's....eh. And I should know, I was there and can remember only some of it...LOL!

I'll give you Neil Peart, Phil Collins and Stewart Copeland (technically they're from the 70's) and maybe Tommy Lee, but really, not many others from the 80's have influenced MAINSTREAM music. BTW, jazz has influenced most of the guys from the 70's and 80's as well. Real musicians take from all kinds of music, not just one genre.

[Ludwig-dude]

I must disagree once more. That particular song is probably top twenty or thirty of all time and that headband adorned super freak would disagree if you asked him if he felt punished by mastering that piece of musical heaven!!!

I find it funny that there is a unspoken equivalence placed on vintage drums and slow, stupid music like jazz and all that other mess!!!!

Last I checked this was a vintage drum forum, not a particular type of music forum.


have a wonderful evening


drumhackband3

Last time I checked Jazz wasn't slow or stupid. You try playing in the time signatures that Joe Morello or Elvin Jones played in sometime and then tell me its still slow and stupid. :rolleyes:

[Ludwig-dude]

Aaaah, you lost me at time signatures............................then the Elvis Morello and Jacoby Jones totally blew me away here. I have noticed a bias towards the nerdy jazz music and have decided that if everyone can casually dismiss my particular favorite music genre then I should be able to repay the compliments fully. You agree? Nobody ever says anything when they are ripping Ozzy or the dime a dozen drummers like the stiff from ACDC who made a mint off of the standard rock beat. What a genius that guy was. I am horrible and can play about any ACDC song!!!!!!!!

You have just proven my point. While I do love rock of most types (death metal excluded) you don't need to be proficient to play it. Phill Rudd was a time keeper, a very good time keeper, much like Charlie Watts of the Stones, but......Charlie can also play jazz, and play it very well. Last time I checked Phil Rudd is still playing: boom, blap, boom, blap. A six year old can do that.

I am not putting down rock as a genre, like I said I enjoy it, but I also enjoy and APPRECIATE OTHER kinds of music as well. Once you figure out ALL music is related, no matter how bad some of it is, then you've unlocked the secret. Listen to some jazz sometime, I mean really sit down and study it, and you can take some cool licks and fills from it and incorporate it into your playing. It fits with rock......where do you think rock came from? Thin air? No. It EVOLVED from blues, jazz, country, and a host of other kinds of music. 80's hair metal has a lot of influences from opera and classical music too, not just the usual Black Sabbath/Led Zeppelin roots.

If you want to play, and learn to play well, you need to open your mind to other kinds of music and take those as influences as well....otherwise you're stuck with the ac/dc Phill Rudd boom, blap, boom, blap forever and will progress nowhere.

BTW.......if you really want to learn some cool rock stuff to play besides the ac/dc stuff, check out Carmine Appice's DVD realistic rock. Its a long instructional vid, but its worth checking out.

[AZBill]

I disagree. 80's rock was probably some of the most influential music of all time and I wouldn't trade you one of my Ratt or Britney Fox albums for fifty jazz albums!!!!!!!

Whooa! Take it easy. I wasn't poking fun at 80's music (rock, not that other crap), just the ballerina that was playing it in the clip.....Millie-Vanillie comes to mind here, too. I came of age listening to Priest, Maiden, UFO, Schenker, Rainbow, Scorp's, Ozzy, Sabbath and a few others (and I still listen, at times and have a nice collection of material). Hendrix is also another fav; Mitch was crazy enough to try and follow along with him, too. I also happen to love 60's era Jazz (with a passion). That said, you can keep your Ratt and Brit albums and rest assured, they're safe in your collection; I don't think anyone would really want to trade you for them.

[drumhack]

Whooa! Take it easy. I wasn't poking fun at 80's music (rock, not that other crap), just the ballerina that was playing it in the clip.....Millie-Vanillie comes to mind here, too. I came of age listening to Priest, Maiden, UFO, Schenker, Rainbow, Scorp's, Ozzy, Sabbath and a few others (and I still listen, at times and have a nice collection of material). Hendrix is also another fav; Mitch was crazy enough to try and follow along with him, too. I also happen to love 60's era Jazz (with a passion). That said, you can keep your Ratt and Brit albums and rest assured, they're safe in your collection; I don't think anyone would really want to trade you for them.

The best song of the 80's hands down was Boomtown by David and David. No contest. They weren't even hair guys!!!

[Mike T]

I must disagree once more. That particular song is probably top twenty or thirty of all time and that headband adorned super freak would disagree if you asked him if he felt punished by mastering that piece of musical heaven!!!

I find it funny that there is a unspoken equivalence placed on vintage drums and slow, stupid music like jazz and all that other mess!!!!

Last I checked this was a vintage drum forum, not a particular type of music forum.


have a wonderful evening


drumhackband3

Well I have been playing since 1964 seen Jazz seen most of the best in rock, metal etc what point you are missing is this it is a simple song sinple lyrics, simple chorus, and simple lead guitar solo in other words it is a simple song.. as most metal is was and always will be ... Now i like alot of it but i see it for what it is I listen to music for the music you want good players listen to Cream, Canned heat,Wishbone ash, The Allman Brothers band, Yardbirds,and many many others they did not play catchy tunes so they could be on the radio they played music for music's sake... And if that song is in the top 1000 all time it would be a miracle... Now don't get your panties in a bunch i am simply making a point most of the great guitar players were influenced by Jazz and it is not all slow... and most drummers as well metal is pretty much a one trick pony but there are some great players in metal but that guy and Ozzy are not two of them.

I probably think you are much yonger than most of us and did not grow up with the rock of the 60's and 70's and that is ok but you can not deny it's greatness and alot of that is due to Jazz,swing, and Blues...

[Ludwig-dude]

Hmm....best song of the 80's has got to be U2's Bullet the Blue Sky, Sunday Bloody Sunday, or New Years Day. (call it a three way tie in my book) Those three are about the best songs of the 80's in my book hands down.

[Ludwig-dude]

Well I have been playing since 1964 seen Jazz seen most of the best in rock, metal etc what point you are missing is this it is a simple song sinple lyrics, simple chorus, and simple lead guitar solo in other words it is a simple song.. as most metal is was and always will be ... Now i like alot of it but i see it for what it is I listen to music for the music you want good players listen to Cream, Canned heat,Wishbone ash, The Allman Brothers band, Yardbirds,and many many others they did not play catchy tunes so they could be on the radio they played music for music's sake... And if that song is in the top 1000 all time it would be a miracle... Now don't get your panties in a bunch i am simply making a point most of the great guitar players were influenced by Jazz and it is not all slow... and most drummers as well metal is pretty much a one trick pony but there are some great players in metal but that guy and Ozzy are not two of them.

I probably think you are much yonger than most of us and did not grow up with the rock of the 60's and 70's and that is ok but you can not deny it's greatness and alot of that is due to Jazz,swing, and Blues...

Well, I myself did not grow up in the 50's or 60's, but I can APPRECIATE all kinds of music and where it comes from and where its going. And I must agree with you that metal is a one trick pony....lately its all about "blast beats" or how many BPM can you play (beats per minute in case no one was aware). What happened to playing for the song and playing music for the sake of playing music? While I do enjoy some metal, it is not the end all-be all for me. Blues, jazz, classic rock, stax-volt soul, motown, even some country and blue-grass, 80's synth-pop, "alternative" rock, early punk, 70's hard rock, psychadelic rock....its all good to me.....fusion.....you gotta take the plunge and try and listen to it all, drink it in. If you're not into what Papa Jo Jones was doing, so be it. Maybe it was something he was trying.....you know experimenting, improvising. Just don't lump all music other than your precious 80's hair metal together as boring crap drumhack. EDUCATE YOURSELF FOR A CHANGE BY EXPANDING YOUR HORIZONS AND LISTEN TO SOMETHING DIFFERENT FOR ONCE.

[Ludwig-dude]

I know plenty of the 70's. I am closer to 40 than 30, I just choose to remain young at heart! I know the Heart songs before the Bad Animals album and love Fleetwood Mac too. I am just taking up for the silent minority that gets abused by the jazz guys all the time. Standard conversations routinely abuse 80's rock on here and if anyone says anything about jazz, the wagons get circled. I usually swim upstream, just the way I am wired, so this is nothing new. Actually, about thirty percent of my posts get deleted within twenty four hours anyways!!

I tried to suffer jazz and just can't do it. They all seem like posers to me, craving the spotlight with those dramatic pauses and the "O" faces are ridiculous. Just my humble opinion.

There's nothing more genuine and non-poser like than jazz players. They improvise EVERYTHING they play. Not a lot of rock guys can say that they have that sensibility.

I have one thing to say about Fleetwood Mac.......the Peter Green era was the best IMO. You're probably saying to yourself: "Peter who??"

[kevins]

Go to Best Buy, cruise the jazz section, and buy a few selections. Listen to them, get off the YouTube "O-face" video scene and just listen.
I didn't like the older jazz either at first... I traveled through Al Di Meola , Jeff Beck, Weather Report, Sea Level, Steely Dan, and Earl Klugh to get an appreciation for their predecessors.
It's a process, like anything else. Hated broccoli as a kid, now I love it.

[drumhack]

Hmm....best song of the 80's has got to be U2's Bullet the Blue Sky, Sunday Bloody Sunday, or New Years Day. (call it a three way tie in my book) Those three are about the best songs of the 80's in my book hands down.

It goes Boomtown, Big Money, then Paradise City. No contest.

[drumhack]

There's nothing more genuine and non-poser like than jazz players. They improvise EVERYTHING they play. Not a lot of rock guys can say that they have that sensibility.

I have one thing to say about Fleetwood Mac.......the Peter Green era was the best IMO. You're probably saying to yourself: "Peter who??"

I will bite. I know Buckingham, Mickey, Nicks and C. McVie. That is the Fleetwood Mac I know of.....................................

[Ludwig-dude]

It goes Boomtown, Big Money, then Paradise City. No contest.

mmm.....crap, crap, and even bigger crap.

[Ludwig-dude]

I will bite. I know Buckingham, Mickey, Nicks and C. McVie. That is the Fleetwood Mac I know of.....................................

Its the original Fleetwood Mac line up from the 1960's

Peter Green, Mick Fleetwood, John McVie, Danny Kirwan, and Jeremy Spencer. Songs like Albatross, Oh Well, Green Manalishi, black magic woman (yes that black magic woman. It was a Fleetwood Mac song LONG before Santana did it).....

[drumhack]

mmm.....crap, crap, and even bigger crap.

A drummer thinks Rush is crap? That is interesting to say the least.

[Ludwig-dude]

A drummer thinks Rush is crap? That is interesting to say the least.

Yeah, not a fan of Neil Peart. Never was. I always thought he was highly over-rated. Anyone can make a drumset revolve around them while they wave the sticks up and down to hit as many things as possible over and over again if they have enough money to buy all of the gear. Not impressed then, still not impressed now.

[drumhack]

Yeah, not a fan of Neil Peart. Never was. I always thought he was highly over-rated. Anyone can make a drumset revolve around them while they wave the sticks up and down to hit as many things as possible over and over again if they have enough money to buy all of the gear. Not impressed then, still not impressed now.

I don't know dude. He is heads and shoulders above about all of the guys who played and still play. Seeing as how Buddie Rich is usually the closer on this site for arguements, I saw a video of him playing Buddie Rich stuff with a "big band" on you tube and he killed it. No stick waving, no revolving drums, just him and the drumheads he punished.

I really don't know what era to assign to Rush as they have been SOOOO successful they transcend simple moments in time such as decades BUT he was and still is not a stereotypical boom boom bla bla drummer, as you put it earlier.

[AZBill]

This boogie's a mess. You can't convert a non-believer. Some get it, some won't. Amazing how this thread has become undone. Is there a vintage music forum, somewhere? This, being a drum forum, maybe we should be arguing over the drummers of these various genres and eras. Were there any notable drummers playing glam-rock or the pop-garbage in the 80's? Without research (none needed): No. Elvin Jones didn't get Ginger Baker, either - he said so. As a drummer, I just can't wrap my head a round another drummer's notion that Jazz is boring. Listen to some Wes Montgomery, Coltrane, Blakey. Then, try to emulate. Hell, listen to any myriad Buddy Rich albums. I have a fork in me.

[kevins]

This boogie's a mess. You can't convert a non-believer. Some get it, some won't. Amazing how this thread has become undone. Is there a vintage music forum, somewhere? This, being a drum forum, maybe we should be arguing over the drummers of these various genres and eras. Were there any notable drummers playing glam-rock or the pop-garbage in the 80's? Without research (none needed): No. Elvin Jones didn't get Ginger Baker, either - he said so. As a drummer, I just can't wrap my head a round another drummer's notion that Jazz is boring. Listen to some Wes Montgomery, Coltrane, Blakey. Then, try to emulate. Hell, listen to any myriad Buddy Rich albums. I have a fork in me.
It's a case of unwarranted ego run amok.... some folks just refuse to believe that the light at the end of the tunnel is a train until it hits them. Even then, that guy will still say it was a gorilla with a flashlight. Pointless to even try any more... can I borrow your fork, please?

[AZBill]

It's a case of unwarranted ego run amok.... some folks just refuse to believe that the light at the end of the tunnel is a train until it hits them. Even then, that guy will still say it was a gorilla with a flashlight. Pointless to even try any more... can I borrow your fork, please?

:p All in good fun. I love the gorilla reference. Can I use it? My fork, is your fork.

[Webmaster]

This is how these threads end up. In my opinion, jazz is a bunch of different styles. I have played a lot of it and considered that my preference for playing. BUT, there is just some I do not like to listen to.

I can't handle screeeeeeeching sax solos!!! It kills me... I have to turn it off or go on to something else. It might be great jazz and I can understand the dynamic of the musicians but I just can't listen.

To an untrained ear and non musician, that is how they usually describe jazz as "boring" or it does not "make sense". Musical appreciation is something that grows over time.

Nothing in my opinion makes one style better then the other, they were all part of someone's generation that they grew up on and for most it is what they can fall back on in life to bring back memories.

There are those that will never change or want to go on to something else, but that is the choice they have.

David

[Webmaster]

And we have to end it with this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnzFRV1LwIo&feature=player_embedded#

[kevins]

:p All in good fun. I love the gorilla reference. Can I use it? My fork, is your fork.
Any time, my friend.........

[AZBill]

And we have to end it with this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnzFRV1LwIo&feature=player_embedded#

Uuuuuuhh, isn't Phil a "lefty". That was too funny.

I agree that all music isn't for everyone and I don't think any harm resulted from this thread. Good-hearted agreeing to disagree; it's American. Interesting to learn whom likes what, amongst drummer-folk.

Music, it soothes the savage beast, no matter what the form.

[mcjnic]

Odd....no one mentioned Stub Toe Jenkins or Molasses Sal in this thread. Didn't see that one coming.

Now, here was two of the greats. There just wasn't a better beater than Stub Toe this side of the pond (or any other for that matter). When he decided to part company with The Mudbone Snuff Boys of Beat and hook up with Molasses Sal...well, I don't have to tell you where THAT went. Unreal. That was the most magical union of talent in that century or any other. What Stub could do with a hickory stick and a velum spack was nothing short of a miracle. I've seen many drummers attempt his licks, only to end up discouraged and sore. Buddy Rich used to say, "If Stub didn't play it, it just wasn't worth spit." Today's young turks could learn a thing or two by just trying to decipher what Stub Toe is doing in the 15th and 17th phrase of "Slap dat Momma Yo". I've listened to it for most of my life and still can't work it out. Unbelievable stuff.
Spin the black circle gents and gentettes. There's a music lesson to be had.

[AZBill]

Odd....no one mentioned Stub Toe Jenkins or Molasses Sal in this thread. Didn't see that one coming.

Now, here was two of the greats. There just wasn't a better beater than Stub Toe this side of the pond (or any other for that matter). When he decided to part company with The Mudbone Snuff Boys of Beat and hook up with Molasses Sal...well, I don't have to tell you where THAT went. Unreal. That was the most magical union of talent in that century or any other. What Stub could do with a hickory stick and a velum spack was nothing short of a miracle. I've seen many drummers attempt his licks, only to end up discouraged and sore. Buddy Rich used to say, "If Stub didn't play it, it just wasn't worth spit." Today's young turks could learn a thing or two by just trying to decipher what Stub Toe is doing in the 15th and 17th phrase of "Slap dat Momma Yo". I've listened to it for most of my life and still can't work it out. Unbelievable stuff.
Spin the black circle gents and gentettes. There's a music lesson to be had.

Wow!! I just down-loaded Stub's first three albums to my iTunes library and all I can say is, "Wholy Macaroni". His use of polygons and sheer abandonment of syncapation has got to be grossly underrated. Most folks probably never heard of him, but Chic Flam's book, "No Time for Time", goes deep into the background, education and mid-rise to fame of this unsung hero. I've never heard such execution of the para-para-diddle.