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jonnistix

07-25-2009, 10:30 PM

Bowing
Pictures say a thousand words. He didn't sit down and do the normal kid, first time at the kit pounding, he actually tried to put together a real beat. And has never been behind a kit, either. Ladies and Gentleman, a new generation drummer is born.
Keep on Pl

mcjnic

07-25-2009, 10:52 PM

Love the kit. That's pretty sweet. Start the young on the old and seasoned instrument. Nice touch.

the_drum_dad

07-27-2009, 09:31 AM

The t-shirt is interesting too. "perfect swing"
Hard to get kid's that age into jazz....but maybe it's a sign!

jonnistix

07-27-2009, 12:05 PM

The t-shirt is interesting too. "perfect swing"
Hard to get kid's that age into jazz....but maybe it's a sign!

Oh, the t-shirt is from the place were we actually put on the party. It is one of those family fun centers with putt-putt, go-carts, bumper boats and video games. It is a ritual for him, we love having it there. The kids get to run wild, and for 150 bucks, well, 10 kids get to go wild all day long. And they are very accommodating, per the allowance to set up a drum kit in the building.

clubdate64

09-19-2009, 04:17 PM

I think if you give a kid a brand new drumset he will lose interest, my brother and I both learned on the same Star/Stewart/Maxwin/cb700/Pearl collection of yardsale/secondhand store drums. we got every drum and cymbal catalog we could get our hands on,and played (almost) every day from 5:00pm until 8:00pm.
We are both still active drummers (I also play Bass guitar) at 32 and 38.

My best freind in Jr.high got a brand new red Pearl Export with Zildjian Scimitar Bronze cymbals (about $1300 in 1987) by the time we were in highschool he had stopped playing.and he was the better player of the two of us.

let him rock the old kit for a few years that way it will be more about the playing. there wil always be time later to get that kit he always wanted.

Gilnar

09-19-2009, 04:24 PM

I wish him joy with his instrument and long, happy days of drumming! :-)

jonnistix

09-19-2009, 06:18 PM

This little guy knows the value of sweat equity already. He sat down at the shiny new kits in the store, and said he wasn't sure he wanted a new shiny set because he didn't want to "hurt it". So, as I am still working on his kit, we take one apart, clean on the lugs and hoops, whatever, and put it back together.
I am also learning. I play hand drums, and I have always wanted to learn to stick, so when this set popped up for $50, I grabbed them. My baby brother was a great drummer. One of the best unsigned drummers in Tucson. He played in a Dead cover band, MuddShark. I was his tech. He was courted by many bands, but would not take any offers. I know why, it was because if he took to the road, I think he would have gone on sooner than he did.
Anyway, so now we are learning together, father and son, drumming across generations.D' DrummerMallet Player2
If anyone has some Japanese drums they would like to turn loose, let me know. I am looking for another set.

plexi69

10-02-2009, 11:22 AM

mcjnic

10-02-2009, 05:47 PM

I don't get what you're saying.

jonnistix

10-02-2009, 06:17 PM

Jim

10-02-2009, 08:17 PM

J-Stix

You did a great thing there... thanks for sharing the smiles. As a proud pop myself that all left a grin on my face.

plexi69

10-02-2009, 10:04 PM

I have as much a right to share my opinion as you do to "share " your little story.

mcjnic

10-02-2009, 11:02 PM

Actually, you don't. This is a Vintage Drum Forum, and as such, stories and tales of wonder and woe are swapped...along with some beechin gear. In all of that, we really don't step on each others toes in this fashion. This is not the place for that. If you don't like the post, move on along and find one you do like. We really do try hard (sometimes very hard) to get along with each other. We work hard to not fight and such. I'm sure you didn't mean any malice with your words. You were just frustrated or tired. It happens. Now, find some cool threads and be a part of a wonderful group of guys ...and gals, as of late...and talk some cool stuff about vintage gear.

Jaye

10-03-2009, 01:13 AM

Parents today are so over indulgent! I guess working for something and earning it are no longer family values. Any kid gets excited over a chance to make noise. So why does someone think they have to "share" all that? The Romper Room forum would be the best choice for that.

Plexi... ...let me just say that, 15 posts you have made, and one of 'em is this ? ....

FYI, as McJ said ~ this isn't one of those kinda forums where folks are into "flaming" other members just for the sake of it....

I have flagged you to the moderator...my guess is if you keep up this kind of activity, we won't be seeing you around here for very long.....

(and come the day that you have your own kid, maybe you will understand....and then you'll remember this post of yours and feel pretty darn embarrassed about it....)

...of course, as McJ said, you are welcome to behave yourself and actually contribute something constructive to the Forum....

"ignore" button, "ignore" button...around here somewhere....

jonnistix

10-03-2009, 03:28 AM

Thanks guys. I actually changed my original response. It was kinda ugly. I appreciate all of you, and thanks for a great place to hang and share our stories.
band3
Playin, Playin' in the band, daybreak, dayeyeybreak on the land......

plexi69

10-03-2009, 11:56 AM

The purpose of a internet forum is for people to voice and express their opinion. This goes hand in hand with the American birthright of freedom of speech. Who is to say whose opinion counts and whose doesn't? I was neither tired or frustrated when I made my initial posting, just expressing my thoughts. If people want to "share" their kids, they should go to the appropriate places, not invade adult themed forums or areas with them. This is MY opinion and I realize that others have their own which may or may not coincide. The point is when someone posts and puts it out on the internet, they have no reason to cry about ANY pesponse it might receive.

Jaye

10-03-2009, 12:18 PM

Well, your opinion is duly noted then.

I would note that this Forum has quite a few teenagers on it. So, perhaps you are mistaken as to the "adult" nature of it. The Forum is open to all who are intresested in having respectful conversation regarding a common passion.

Now, I see this quite often on Forums...people seem to confuse being a member with "my freedom of speech"...and then people confuse that with meaning "I am allowed to say anything I want". All those 3 things are actually not synonymous. This Forum is International; it does not ascribe to any one country's laws (or in this case, severely misinterpreted laws). A Forum has rules and decorum; established by its founders and under their discretion to determine what is appropriate, constructive, valid, and respectful... and what is not. As such, while we are its members, we are also the website hosts' guests.

Now why don't you be one of those respectable Forum members and, as already suggested, go explore and contribute to some other threads..... and allow this very positive, life-affirming one to get back on track ?

We all thank you.

mcjnic

10-03-2009, 12:45 PM

Your wrong on most of these points.

The internet forum was not designed as a place to login and blast people. That's the job of talk radio.

The ARPANET was strung together to facilitate research and the sharing of ideas. Dialup bulletin boards were the hobbiest end of this. These were the genesis of the forum (along with Usenets and such). NONE of these were developed to provide you a place to login and blast someone at mach speed. You've missed the point.

Second, our Founding Fathers did NOT include in ANY writings your right to express just any old opinion you deem appropriate. If fact, they were very clear that you must base your decisions and actions upon GOD's word. That is the filter that it must pass through prior to leaving your mouth or your pen. If you doubt, research the writings of these great men. Do some in-depth reading and you will discover that most Free Speech advocates have no clue what the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution even say. Nor do they have a clue about the hearts of these great men as expressed through personal letters and articles printed by their own hand.

Third, this is in fact the PERFECT place to post this thread. It is a dad bringing the next generation into the realm of OUR love of drumming. We appreciate these stories and we support them. The fact that his son is playing a nice old kit makes it even more special.

I'm not sure what you expect out of this forum, but you seem to have missed the point of it. Again, I will remind you that if you are looking for a place to learn from and maybe add to, this is a great one. If you want to talk about cool old drums and cymbals and such, you are welcome.

If you came here to throw out disparaging remarks "because you can", then you have logged into the wrong place. Those users are not welcome here.

Thank you.
Michael

plexi69

10-03-2009, 01:00 PM

fishwaltz

10-03-2009, 01:21 PM

jonnistix

10-03-2009, 01:30 PM

To Jaye , Michael and Jim:Bowing Thank you, again, for your support, you guys are the type of people make this place so great.

I come from a background of Politics. I grew up with a mom who was at the heart of very sensitive International Foreign policy, and was involved in negotiating peace during the 80s Middle East Agreements, that since have been trashed by a "government" that sees no value in past progress, but instead wishes to make a mark on history that may become indelible. As a student of Constitutionalism, I am quite certain of one thing. I do not agree with everyones "opinions", however under the law of the land, and in keeping with the letter and intentional spirit of the First Amendment, I would gladly defend to the death anyones' right to present it. However, as the other gentlemen, who are very gracious and rather scholarly, have stated, this is a place of rules and decorum. Your "opinion" is, under the rules of this forum, not welcome.
As for Family Values, you are the one who brought them to the table on this discussion. And I ascribe to a very healthy balance of Family Values, and Hard Work and Earning something, as well as Ethics are some of the absolute top-list values I teach my son. So yes, Family Values are very much a part of this thread. This is not about Censorship, it is about RULES, and you clicked the "I Agree" button when you joined this forum. I suggest you go back and read those rules now.

I too have searched your past postings, and it seems you believe this is a place to do nothing more than shop for a set of drums that are very difficult to find. As such, I encourage you to continue your search, peacefully, and I wish you luck. As I am a respectful and honorable member of this forum, I will keep my opinion to myself.

mcjnic

10-03-2009, 10:14 PM

"God's word",,, Dude are you for real??? First family values now the moral majority? No wonder your so vocal for censorship, the three seem to go hand in hand don't they. I think you miss the point.
If the Founding Fathers were so intent on ruling by religous fanaticism, then they would not have included any seperation of Church and State clauses would they?

The following is not an insult. I am a teacher and it is merely a bit of guidance.

First, you are in serious need of an education on the United States of America. It is not the country you have envisioned in your head. It is in fact a very different place. Please, take the time to read and understand what this country is about. It would make an impact on you. Here are a few quotes that might help you on your way.

Number One:
The three branches of the U.S. Government: Judicial, Legislative, Executive
At the Constitutional Convention of 1787, James Madison proposed the plan to divide the central government into three branches. He discovered this model of government from the Perfect Governor, as he read Isaiah 33:22;
“For the LORD is our judge,
the LORD is our lawgiver,
the LORD is our king;
He will save us.”

Number Two:
George Washington:
“ It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and Bible.”
“What students would learn in American schools above all is the religion of Jesus Christ.” [speech to the Delaware Indian Chiefs May 12, 1779]
"To the distinguished character of patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian" [May 2, 1778, at Valley Forge]

Number Three:
Thomas Paine:
“ It has been the error of the schools to teach astronomy, and all the other sciences, and subjects of natural philosophy, as accomplishments only; whereas they should be taught theologically, or with reference to the Being who is the author of them: for all the principles of science are of divine origin. Man cannot make, or invent, or contrive principles: he can only discover them; and he ought to look through the discovery to the Author.”
“ The evil that has resulted from the error of the schools, in teaching natural philosophy as an accomplishment only, has been that of generating in the pupils a species of atheism. Instead of looking through the works of creation to the Creator himself, they stop short, and employ the knowledge they acquire to create doubts of his existence. They labour with studied ingenuity to ascribe every thing they behold to innate properties of matter, and jump over all the rest by saying, that matter is eternal.” “The Existence of God--1810”

Number Four:
James Madison:
“ We’ve staked our future on our ability to follow the Ten Commandments with all of our heart.”
“We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We’ve staked the future of all our political institutions upon our capacity…to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God.” [1778 to the General Assembly of the State of Virginia]

Number Five:
Thomas Jefferson:
“ The doctrines of Jesus are simple, and tend to all the happiness of man.” “Of all the systems of morality, ancient or modern which have come under my observation, none appears to me so pure as that of Jesus.”
"I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus."
“God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are a gift from God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, and that His justice cannot sleep forever.” (excerpts are inscribed on the walls of the Jefferson Memorial in the nations capital)

Number Six:
Patrick Henry:
“This is all the inheritance I can give my dear family. The religion of Christ can give them one which will make them rich indeed.”
—The Last Will and Testament of Patrick Henry
“It cannot be emphasized too clearly and too often that this nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason, peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.” [May 1765 Speech to the House of Burgesses]

Number Seven:
John Quincy Adams:
“Why is it that, next to the birthday of the Savior of the world, your most joyous and most venerated festival returns on this day [the Fourth of July]?" “Is it not that, in the chain of human events, the birthday of the nation is indissolubly linked with the birthday of the Savior? That it forms a leading event in the progress of the Gospel dispensation? Is it not that the Declaration of Independence first organized the social compact on the foundation of the Redeemer's mission upon earth? That it laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity"?
--1837, at the age of 69, when he delivered a Fourth of July speech at Newburyport, Massachusetts.
“The Law given from Sinai [The Ten Commandments] was a civil and municipal as well as a moral and religious code.”
John Quincy Adams. Letters to his son. p. 61

Number Eight:
Samuel Adams:
“ He who made all men hath made the truths necessary to human happiness obvious to all… Our forefathers opened the Bible to all.” [ "American Independence," August 1, 1776. Speech delivered at the State House in Philadelphia]

Number Nine:
John Adams:
“ The general principles upon which the Fathers achieved independence were the general principals of Christianity… I will avow that I believed and now believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.”
“[July 4th] ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty.”
–John Adams in a letter written to Abigail on the day the Declaration was approved by Congress
“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." --October 11, 1798
"I have examined all religions, as well as my narrow sphere, my straightened means, and my busy life, would allow; and the result is that the Bible is the best Book in the world. It contains more philosophy than all the libraries I have seen." December 25, 1813 letter to Thomas Jefferson
John Adams and John Hancock:
"We Recognize No Sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus!" [April 18, 1775]

Number Ten:
The First Charter of Virginia (granted by King James I, on April 10, 1606)
"We, greatly commending, and graciously accepting of, their Desires for the Furtherance of so noble a Work, which may, by the Providence of Almighty God, hereafter tend to the Glory of his Divine Majesty, in propagating of Christian Religion to such People, as yet live in Darkness and miserable Ignorance of the true Knowledge and Worship of God…
Lastly and chiefly the way to prosper and achieve good success is to make yourselves all of one mind for the good of your country and your own, and to serve and fear God the Giver of all Goodness, for every plantation which our Heavenly Father hath not planted shall be rooted out."
Instructions for the Virginia Colony (1606)

The MayFlowerCompact (authored by William Bradford) 1620
“Having undertaken, for the glory of God, and advancement of the Christian faith, and honor of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the northern parts of Virginia, do by these presents solemnly and mutually, in the presence of God, and one of another, covenant and combine our selves together…”

Finally, you need to understand the phrase "separation of church and state".

Though it was used throughout history, as far as the United States is concerned, it is credited to John Locke. He influenced Thomas Jefferson a great deal. The meaning and intent of this First Amendment is twisted and skewed by the uneducated. Madison wrote, "We are teaching the world the great truth that Govts. do better without Kings & Nobles than with them. The merit will be doubled by the other lesson that Religion flourishes in greater purity, without than with the aid of Govt."

The phrase itself comes from a letter penned by Thomas Jefferson at the beginning of the 1800's when a group of Baptists in Danbury, CT were afraid that the political majority would impose their religion upon them and in effect form a state religion. President Jefferson responded with the very famous quote, "I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church and State."

Do yourself a favor and research what it is you are speaking out on. Have a firm foundation under you prior to voicing your opinion. Especially when that opinion walks upon the happiness of others. This country is great and is worth the effort it takes to learn about it.

Thanks.

fishwaltz

10-03-2009, 10:35 PM

The following is not an insult. I am a teacher and it is merely a bit of guidance...

Good job buddy!

jonnistix

10-04-2009, 02:18 AM

The following is not an insult. I am a teacher and it is merely a bit of guidance.

Do yourself a favor and research what it is you are speaking out on. Have a firm foundation under you prior to voicing your opinion. Especially when that opinion walks upon the happiness of others. This country is great and is worth the effort it takes to learn about it.
Thanks.

Heare, Heare! Again, You rise above,Burger Kin and it is duly noted. I am honored with this lesson, although I knew most of them, and one day I will share it in it's entirety with my son. As for plexi, I fear he is an ultra-lib, as I saw a post earlier in which, around the beginning of Sept he was wishing all a "Happy Holiday", and he is probably calling the ACLU because we stepped on his freedom, in some twisted way. Please don't take this the wrong way, as I am fairly moderate. But going off as he did over something as simple as this indicates, in my mind, he is frustrated over something I must have touched upon.
I am unsure what happens when one puts another on their "Ignore" list. On some sites, it shuts them out of the discussion, and dis-allows them from further interacting with that person altogether. Maybe I should ask Dave about this. I am really disturbed by his actions, and I hope he gets it that we are not here to be his whipping boys. Sadly, I fear he has learned nothing, and will only become more anti-social.