Stamp/signature on k zildjian vintage

[avedis82]

Delete This!

[jcymbal]

You have a Private Message!

[mcjnic]

...BLEEP...

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[jcymbal]

mcjnic, you have a Private Message too!

[Jaye]

Here we go again. Look...these things are worth some serious bucks. You have given us bupkis to work with. Please get some more info out there so we can help you determine the value...before someone takes you to the cleaners and gives you squat for those very valuable instruments. We are talking hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of dollars here. Please WAIT before selling. Get some good advice and THEN consider selling. Please. We are a good group of mostly ethical people. Don't tempt us with a gift from the 'drummer up there'. We might snap and take advantage of you.

Talk this thing through...for all of our sakes.

McJ...I think he has the opportunity to buy them, not sell them...

But that doesn't change the point of your message, really.

I agree with that. Especially for your sake, Av.... and the sake of the old gent.
You have come here to get true info, so we can provide you with that.

Just in the meantime...DON'T do anything rash or hasty regarding these cymbals ! So, get more pics, then folks here can give you a true market value.

These are very rare; really, if you are buying them from an old man who is not altogether "with it", you could probably take advantage of that. But it wouldn't be the right thing to do.

There is a price zone in there (neither a lowball 'steal' nor necessarily the 'maximum' what he could get) where you could make a fair offer still a bit below market value.. and have the transaction be fair to you, and him. You would get a good deal, he would get a decent value for what he has, and everyone would feel good about the whole thing.

This is what I urge you to strive for.

[mcjnic]

Forgive my Emily Latella moment there. I meant to speak on buying the cymbals. We've been on the sell road so often lately, I passed right over it on this one. What I'm trying to say is - Please don't take advantage of the old man. Let us help you get the proper value of the cymbals and then make a reasonable offer. If you came to us for help with the value of the cymbals, then we would hope that you would be ethical in your dealing. Sorry...I'm just in knee-jerk mode. ... or maybe just 'jerk' mode. Either way - play fair. That's all I'm trying to say.

Thanks.

Medication kicking in . . . 3, 2, 1........oh yeah. That's the stuff.

[jcymbal]

Show us a photo of the engraved stamp instead. The weight is also kind of important... did you check out that link that I've sent you?

[Jaye]

Assuming the weights are in a good range (i.e. not super-heavy...and just from the pic the 16 doesn't look super-heavy to me)...

Worth around $300-400 for the 16.

eBay auctions have been funny lately...a nice one sold last week for $207 which is LUDICROUSLY LOW.

And within a few days of that, one sold for $610...which is INSANELY HIGH...STUPIDLY HIGH....probably a bid war; but whoever won that cymbal paid way over market value.

Prices have dropped back down significantly since W and his band of idiots almost destroyed the global economy...

A year ago prices were insane...probably the last gasp of the "immediate gratification" crowd. But now we are looking at 2003-ish market values again (thank goodness and about time).

So offering $275-325 for the 16 would be a fair deal for both of you.

The 14 could be anywhere around $100-175.

These ranges for offering the gentleman would be reasonable and not taking advantage of him...and you would end up with a good deal as well.

Again, assuming they are not heavy cymbals.

[jcymbal]

Just do a search on ebay and all your questions will be answered.

Here's two:

a 15"
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=260375562944

a 20"
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=250387666567

[winnie]

well done Av. Great score!
check out: http://istanbulk.planetaclix.pt/MyOldK/Stamps.html

Make sure you show some more pictures of them here. Good Luck.

[Drumaholic]

I really don't think that's going to help him any.

I'll give you a hint.....and apparently nobody else noticed this:

In the first example "Zildjian" is upside-down.

[Drumaholic]

yes! its upside down, and i cant find any stamps on the net that looks the same...

And there's a very good reason for that. It's because they aren't there to be found.

But I'll be sending you a private message shortly. Then you will know exactly what you have there.

Just do me a favor and don't post any of the results here. I don't like helping others to construct their own half-baked versions the cymbal trademark timeline by using information that I alone worked to develop. And without making any mention of my name being as being the originator and sole researcher of this information either.

I'll be much less free with giving out this type of information in the future.

[jcymbal]

And there's a very good reason for that. It's because they aren't there to be found.

what? the upside down thing? Here's another one:
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f249/jcymbal/cymbals/k%20stamps/KStamp03.jpg

[Jaye]

well, now i have bought them for 784 us dollar. i dont know if thats a fair price, but i didnt get alot of value answers here... but, he is happy about it, and im happy about it, so i think it went good:) If someone of u think i have "ripped him off" i can tell u, that i could easly paid him 100 dollar for all cymbals...


Wait....do I understand this correctly ?

$784 you paid for all 3 old K's and one '40's A ? I assume this is what you mean.

THAT is a near-absurd price, actually. Those are old-stamp K's...the most valuable ones on the planet. And a pre-transition-stamp A. That is also rare.

The 20 alone was worth significantly more than $784...even a lowball price puts it at $900. So throw in the 16, 15, 14 at, for argument's sake...$200, $200, and $100 again.....

$1200 would have been a very LOW price to pay for those four......$1000 would have been an INCREDIBLE price to get those for.

Current market value on those would have been about $1400-1600.....

I dunno, Avedis....

"I'm not going to "fool" the old man! he is a friend of my grandpa, so that is NOT gonna happend!"

"I didn't get a lot of value answers here".....

Maybe I am missing something....because reading this thread...it looks like you did get value answers. Particuarly from me and jcymbal (who even provided links)...no ?

That was a very, very...very... low price you took those for, really.

But if you think that "I could have easily paid $100 for all of them" is a reasonable justification for basically getting 4 old Zildjians for LESS than half-price....then there's not much point arguing with that sort of rationale....
and you can congratulate yourself for such a great acquisition....

Personally, I would have offered at least $100-150 more....even that being low.

[Jaye]

"i realy didnt know much about them..."....


(?)

well.....as we say on this side of the pond....

...whatever......

[jcymbal]

I say ebay!

[mcjnic]

Bleeeeep...

[lucky]

I say enough already! Do we really know all the facts? Maybe the old guy wanted him to have the cymbals. Maybe the old guy didn't need the cash. Maybe Avedis offered him all he had. The dude got a deal, aren't we all looking for a deal? Don't we all want to find the perfect kit at a garage sale or a great old snare at the salvation army store for next to nothing? I don't think these cymbals were the old guy's grandfathers. If he was a drummer than he knew what he had. If he wasn't a drummer than where did he get the cymbals? Just my two cents.

[Drumaholic]

Im sorry again!!!! :( If i had known that so much talk came out of buying these, i wouldnt have bought them at all... BUT, as said, this was a friend of my grandpa, and he wanted ME to have these cymbals. and YES, he told me that they were VERY valuble...

I don't think that you need to be sorry....not again or ever for that matter. The old guy wanted you to have them, and he was happy with the money that he got and probably didn't mind that you got a good deal since he's a friend of your relative. You're happy with the deal because you got some nice cymbals for a good price. He's happy with the amount that he got. I don't think even for a minute that there was any intent to defraud here, and I think that those who are trying to stand in judgment here should back off. Now finally in the end both parties are satisfied with the outcome....end of story.

So as the old saying goes: "All's well that ends well."

Congratulations on your purchase.

[mlvibes]

Avedis - great score!!! Sorry that you came here looking for info, and ended up being judged. And good for you for doing a little research, and for giving the nice man much more money that most would have. Enjoy the cymbals!

[lucky]

What do you want for the 16" ?? Let me know.
Thanks
Lucky

[mcjnic]

Yeah. I know. I get a bit too outspoken at times. I sincerely apologize for my words, A82. I can't seem to keep in my mind and heart that we are all different and are in different places of development.
My FATHER is dealing with me. I'm a work in progress. I am grateful for HIS grace and understanding. I guess I didn't apply that to you. Shame on me.