Slingerland Gold Veil Find?

[Pete59]

Hi Guys
I picked these up this morning. From this site I think these are Gold veil? Nice sizes 20, 12, 12 and 14 x 14 floor. The bad: The insides of the bass and both 12s were painted yellow. 14 FT has no bottom hoop. There is one bass drum hoop with the inlay which is in about 3 different pieces. Im not sure if im gonna restore these. Is the paint removal a job for pros only? They are date stamped 1964. Any thoughts? and Im looking or an 8 lug cob 14 inch hoop. Thanks
Pete

[Webmaster]

This is a rare set! That finish is hard to find and it is Gold Veiled Ebony Pearl.

I would take a step back and see what is original and not. The floor tom leg mounts are not..

I would consider having a professional taking care of the insides of the drums and bringing them back to original.

Better Photos of each drum and lets see if there are any other mods or changes to the drums besides the obvious double rails on the bass drum.

David

[Pete59]

Ill get some more pics up soon. There is an extra hole at each of the floor tom mounts and all the drums have some bubbling on the wrap. Also, there is some cracking on one section of the wrap on the floor tom. Thanks!

[Rich K.]

Of Slingerland's 3 veils, all of which are very rare, the gold veiled ebony (yours) are the rarest. In over 15 years of collecting, that's only the 3rd complete set I've seen or heard of.
Seems that the ft leg mounts have been replaces as well.
If it were me, I wouldn't go too nuts about the interior paint.
That wrap is very thin and tends to bubble and crack.
I'd do it...but if and when you remove the hardware to clean them, try to do it quickly as that wrap will move, and getting the lugs back into the shell may be a problem.
A pro can probably do a good job on the holes, as black may be easy to hide.
What I might do in your situation is remove (carefully) all the hardware to clean and send the shells to Jack Lawton for crack and hole repair.
Great find, even better in those small sizes. I'd go back to one rail and one tom...

[vintage drum bug]

HI All
I bought these Slingys from my good friend Pete. Any Help on the restoration process its greatly appreciated. I can pretty much restore everything by myself but the bubbling on the wrapp its a riddle for me...any thoughts? Also Webmaster are you sure the double rail mount its not original? both toms are supposed to be mounted on one only???? (if theres flaws on my english please you guys excuse me Im still learning)

[mcjnic]

I'm not seeing too well and my cat is of no help. But, can you confirm that the insides are in fact painted with yellow paint and it's not the typical yellowish brownish creamy yucky insides?

[Rocketman]

The fact that the original post claims a date stamp would lead me to believe they have not been painted.

[mcjnic]

Yet another reason why I'm trying to dig along this pathway of thought.

[vintage drum bug]

Thanks a lot people! Ill post more pixs this evening.

[vintage drum bug]

Here you go. As you guys can see, the floor tom is not painted inside. I'd like to know if the yellow paint is original. Also the wrap is fairly thin and has wrinkles close to the lugs and it's ripped on the floor tom. Any suggestions on these is appreciated. Also I'd like to know if the 2 rail tom holders are factory. In case one is not the second 12 tom its a later adition? Theres no badges on the any of the toms. Thanks in advance for any input!!!

[JWG]

This could be a rarity, and maybe some crazy special order item, but I think unlikely. If you could post a picture of the date stamp that would be great, as has mentioned above that would be a big clue as to the original condition of the inside drums from the factory.

Mcjnic, it is very yellow not the horribly coloured semi transparent chocolate milk sealing paint we all know from our kits.

The lack of badges could be justified, as this is not unheard of.

Just having a look at that floor tom, the leg brackets arent correct. Also the floor tom legs themselves are not original, slingerland did not move to offset legs until later (assuming the date stamp is original and correct). The washers and screws which can be seen holding the leg barckets in place are notably different.

With this in mind and the point that the wrap (despite its fragile nature) is so badly stretched and torn would make me think this kit has been altered. I would guess it was owned by a particulary ambitiuous player who customized it to extremes.


just my 2 cents Coffee Break2

[mcjnic]

That does appear to be yellow paint. Icky. Man. That kit was dealt a serious injustice.

[vintage drum bug]

Taking off the yellow paint its a piece of cake. Now I just need to know if its original or not. The FT leg brackets are easy to replace and the extra holes coul be easily plugged. The wrinkles are my problem. Also anybody knows if those two Rail type tom holders are original and correct there? I know is a big project but the rarity of this set makes it worth it

[Rob G.]

Oh wow. I was bidding on a bass and tom recently that were nowhere near as nice (and they were Stage Bands to boot.) These are to die for, yellow paint or not.

[vintage drum bug]

Were those the guy was asking $700.00 for tom and bass drum?

[Round Badge]

Hello Guys,
Here is my set. 20-12-14 all original stands. Date stamped 1964. Catalouged finish 1957-62, So Slingerland evidentally had these shells in the warehouse, no badges on my toms either. Only the Bass, Black and gold Niles, Mine has a 2 hole rail consolette,like they used prior to '63 yours has the slingerland 4 hole.That yellow interior of yours was painted on by someone, Tough to get that stuff off. This wrap is delicate. I've been using mine on small jazz gigs, sound amazing. Neat when an old fellow walks up and says he only seen that finish once or twice years ago. Round Badge

[Rich K.]

Hello Guys,
Here is my set. 20-12-14 all original stands. Date stamped 1964. Catalouged finish 1957-62, So Slingerland evidentally had these shells in the warehouse, no badges on my toms either. Only the Bass, Black and gold Niles, Mine has a 2 hole rail consolette,like they used prior to '63 yours has the slingerland 4 hole.That yellow interior of yours was painted on by someone, Tough to get that stuff off. This wrap is delicate. I've been using mine on small jazz gigs, sound amazing. Neat when an old fellow walks up and says he only seen that finish once or twice years ago. Round Badge

You need my snare drum...Rich
http://www.vintagedrumguide.com/other_collection_rich_k.html

[Round Badge]

Rich,
That is nice, maybe you would like to buy this gold veil set to go with that snare.
Round Badge

[vintage drum bug]

Any info on the twin 12' toms on my set? is that factory?anyone?

[vintage drum bug]

A custom order maybe? do the rail type holders look original for you people?
Im waiting on this to decide if Ill keep one or two racks.

[Round Badge]

Hey Drum Bug,
Looks to me they are slingerland, four hole rail consolettes. I do think that the set started as a single tom, then the second on was added later to make it doubles. Are there any extra holes under any of the rails, where it could have been an earlier two hole rail and then changed to what you have. Also my floor tom has push button leg mounts. Hope it helps.
Round badge

[vintage drum bug]

The holes look symetrical and the fading is exactly the same
Im assuming its a custom order...The holders are original right?

[SlingerLynn]

Vinny,

This is a neat finish! Were you able to tighten up the wrinkled wrap? If so, how? I'm not facing this issue, but curious to know how if I ever have to tackle this.

Lynn

[rogersfreek]

I own a 1965 Slingerland Champaigne sparkle set. S-land did not apply

badges on their toms in this era. My 16" and 20" toms do not have badges.

My inner shells are clear-coated. It wouldn't hurt to contact Precision

Drum in New York to see if they might have some left over gold veil wrap in

their archives to aid in their restoration. I do believe that Sling did offer

some of their sets w/2-12" rack toms. Please show some pictures as your

project progresses. I e-mailed you on the request for the 20" 8-hole tom

hoop/rim. You DO have a rare wrap with this set!!!

[tdennis]

I would leave the interiors alone. Stripping paint is a messy job, takes you down to the wood, & requires you to put in a second artificial finish anyway. Might as well keep them as is, & focus your effort on cleaning up the exterior.

[hawghunter]

I stripped black paint from a 18" floor tom once. The maple had sucked the paint into the pores. NEVER AGAIN WILL I DO THAT! Good luck with what ever you decide. Cool drums!