Glossary of terms!

[Webmaster]

When I first started collecting I had no idea what COS or COB was forget about SS or WMP! So for the help of the "Newbies" and youngsters I will get the ball rolling. Please add any to the post and I will create a master list on the main web site.


COS = Chrome Over Steel
COB = Chrome Over Brass
WMP = White Marine Pearl
SS = Stainless Steel


David

[MarkD]

Hi Dave/All
And don't forget COW= "Chrome Over Wood" (A popular Vintage Slingerland Wrap) Mark

[Webmaster]

And yes, with the drum of the month being the Fibes on the main web site
we have COF

COF = Chrome over Fiberglass
Dyna = Dynasonic
OBP = Oyster Black Pearl
NOS = New Old Stock

[adamz]

thanks, I didn't know some of these

[Webmaster]

Ahh..

BDP = Black Diamond Pearl

I know there are more....

[Webmaster]

Thought of this one today

B/O = Ludwig Blue and Olive Badge

David

[Webmaster]

Finally made it a page on the web site- flowers2

Click Here (http://www.vintagesnaredrums.com/terms.html)

David

[The Big Cheese]

what does WFL mean?

[Webmaster]

World Football League

Or

Yes Sir

William F. Ludwig


David

[JohnG]

Finally made it a page on the web site- flowers2

Click Here (http://www.vintagesnaredrums.com/terms.html)

David

you list OBP Oyster Black Pearl

shouldn't that be BOP Black Oyster Pearl aka Mr Starkey, who i just saw last week tearing down the house at Radio City..............

[JRichard]

Tone Control, Dampener

also called a muffle, muffler and sometimes a mute

[Olimpass]

IMO = In My Opinon
IMHO = In My Honest Opinion
BTW = By The Way..
LOL = Laughing/laugh Out Loud
LMAO = Laugh/Laughing My A$$ Off
LMAOROF = Laughing My A$$ Off Rolling On Floor Laughing H

[NewDecade]

Nice Job on the new glossary page Walking - very cool!

Something in the drum parts that I need clarified is regarding tension rods.

Is the term t-rods exclusive to bass drum T shaped tension rods, or is it a general shortening of "tension rods"? Also, I'm trying to force myself to differentiate "key rods" (k-rods?) and T-rods (non-key rods) in my post usage; Is this a silly question?

Don't mind me, I just used the word "Nomenclature" in a general topic post - As I learn this stuff, I wanna get it right.

btw is hot drumming "nuclear" or "nucular" ? Cooked Egg

[O-Lugs]

That's a great question. I always presumed it was the "T" shape.

[leray1]

I always thought t-rod was short for any tension rod.

[O-Lugs]

For me, it was "lug screw" that was the general term, but "T"-rods were specifically the ones on bass drums that had the "T" handle. But, I honestly never thought about it until now.Burger Kin

[NewDecade]

Ah-Ha!

So at the heart of my tension rod question, there are really just key-rods & T-rods - k-rods & t-rods - that should make defining (and clarifying) the term EZr ~ Dig That! :cool:

[jomeli57]

How about, NOB, Nickle Over Brass.



Nice job on the list. Clapping Happy2

[Webmaster]

I just updated the page with all of the new tid-bits

David

[wadsmoe]

Yes! indubitably it's BOP, A.K.A. 'Ringo':D

[NewDecade]

With my novice drum part questions, I sometimes feel like a troublemaker by questioning either the traditions of things or the ackerracy thereof.

In my recent search for a certain drum part (thanks Mikey - got it) - I ran into a good bit of confusion in my search for a bass drum spur mount wing bolt.

As I began my search on the web & ebaby, the terms used to describe this part were varied: wing nut, wing screw, wing bolt, T-nut...

I have only thought of it as a wing bolt - because it has wings & is "a threaded pin that screws into a nut..."

It is not a wing nut as some have called it : "a nut with a pair of projections..." as a nut is "a flat piece of metal or other material, typically square or hexagonal, with a threaded hole through it for screwing onto a bolt..."

It's somewhat understandable why some would call it a "screw" since it screws into the mount ["screw" as in the above cases, is the action "an act of turning a screw or other object having a thread."

9 times out of 10, a screw is "a sharp-pointed metal pin with a raised helical thread running around it..., used to join things together by being rotated so that it pierces wood or other material and is held tightly in place."

Am I being too particular on this? :confused:

With all of the parts that make up a drum, miracles of design & invention that they are - why might we be confused over screws, bolts & nuts? We handle them constantly in our refurbing, restos & cleaning.

If one was working on an airplane engine and asked for a bolt & was handed a screw or nut, wouldn't one scratch their head at being given the wrong part?

I guess we all get a little relaxed with these terms, but as the curators of such wonderful bygone devices as vintage drums, do the grand wizards of drummery have any wisdom for my (perhaps foolish) thought/question?

What is the proper term for that thingy???? electricit

[NewDecade]

Hmmmm - Understandable that no one wants to touch this, no doubt that the same sort of part from different manufactures have different names.

I was just curious what the actual name is from any of the long standing companies - in the interest of proper terminology, better communication & clarity.

In my digging around in the new parts realm - Pearl calls them wing bolts, Yamaha calls them wing bolts, Gibraltar calls them wing screws...

Another VDF fellow was seeking a ".... Ludwig wing bolt" for "straight telescoping spurs. Common on club date era sets" in the wanted section back in '08 - No one replied to his thread - but perhaps PM's him.

So, I guess that bolt & screw are both acceptable - to my nut brain NUT is not.
OK - that's it for me on the subject.

Silly I guess.....

[GG Vintage]

I believe your definitions of screw (sharp point, course thread), bolt (blunt end, fine thread) and nut are technically correct. You are also correct when you say that in common usage screw and bolt seem to be interchangeable. If you go to your local Home Depot you'll find "Machine Screws" (blunt end and fine threads) that perhaps technically should be called "Machine Bolts". It seems to be more a matter of size than description, i.e., a 1/4" will be called a bolt, 1/8" will be called a screw. I'm not sure at what size a bolt gets demoted to a screw. I think the earlier post regarding the confusion between Tension Rods (special purpose bolts) versus T-Rods (also special purpose bolts) is more important to drum restorers. There should be no confusion between screws / bolts versus nuts, winged or not.

[NewDecade]

Nicely put GG!

Agreed that the earlier T-rod post is much more relevant to those in this forum.

- - I suppose that's part of the reason I posted this, in that with vintage drums of all sorts having so many specific parts, and we here being interested in the salvaging & restoration of drums for posterity's sake (as well as the love of the instrument & the business of buying & selling for some) - I'd think that the finer points of small (and necessary) parts would be a particular point of interest (i.e. attention to detail).

As you said "There should be no confusion between screws / bolts versus nuts, winged or not."

Dispelling said confusion would make moving through this really cool field that much easier.

Since this thread is akin to the Glossary of Terms (not just in a drumming sense - but w/ the history of vint. drums) - I'd think that nailing down the factory names of these small, yet brand specific parts, would be kinda important.

I've found that as I seek out parts for my '50s, '60s & '70s drums, that, while many parts are available,[like Slingy kick spurs for example, the 2 that I bought on eboy, while both Slingy & the same length, have different butt ends (the side you don't stick into your rug) - one is rounded & chromed, the other is flat-topped, conical & chromed] I think that those little differences should help us vintage nuts to:

• more clearly zoom in on the manufacture dates of our drums
• more accurately acquire the correct vintage parts
• help us to better spot problems when purchasing - such as misinformation
listed about what were looking to buy - (i.e. misrepresentation, scams)

I guess that I'd think it to be natural to be constantly tweaking our correct knowledge of things. Vintage Drums is a fairly new phenomenon - previously it probably focused on tree stumps from Borneo :)

I get the feeling here, with so many true gurus on the subject, that the preservation and restoration of this heritage is being raised from a "trekky" like gathering to a higher art form. I come here to get properly informed on the subject. The people here are truly amazing in their collective wisdom.

Apologies to Spock fans Mind Blowi

[poppy79424]

Regarding forum terms:
When I first visited the forum I was designated as a guest. I joined the forum and became a member. As time went on, I became a contributing member. Then an advanced member, senior member, and now a Vintage Drum Guru. I know that the amount of post I post determines what level I am.
My question is how is this calculated? How many posts change one's status?
I have always been curious about this.
Thanks!

[jonutarr]

Glad I read this

[Webmaster]

Member 0
Contributing Member 50
Advanced Member 150
Senior Member 300
Vintage Drum Guru 500

I know there are forums that take this more serious, but I left all of the original defaults and just added Vintage Drum Guru.

I never really spent time on these designations.

David

[poppy79424]

Thanks! Just wondering.

Member 0
Contributing Member 50
Advanced Member 150
Senior Member 300
Vintage Drum Guru 500

I know there are forums that take this more serious, but I left all of the original defaults and just added Vintage Drum Guru.

I never really spent time on these designations.

David

[poppy79424]

Ok, What is a Sticky? a designation of a forum thread meaning??????

[Eddie Mack]

SBP= Sky Blue Pearl, kind of a silver-blue color.

P ink-stamped inside Slingerland shells stands for wrap, whether it be pearl or sparkle, while M stands for laquer finish whether it be clear over the natural wood or color.

Glitter wrap is deeper and has more of a diamond-like shine (some having minute glass flakes [I've also known a few glassy-eyed flakes] embedded in it) than Sparkle. Although to my (maybe glassy?) eye, some colors look better in Sparkle. Corrections always welcome!! Eddie.

[GG Vintage]

It gets really hot during the summer here in the SoCal desert so we're cooped up inside the house most of the day....one's mind starts to wonder. This morning mine wondered to this question; why is it called a snare Strainer instead of a snare Tensioner, and why is it a snare Throw-off and not a snare Release? Strainer and Throw-off are perfectly good terms, but Strainer sounds like something my wife uses in the kitchen and Throw-off conjures up the vision of a rather extreme motion. Tensioner and Release seem simpler and more descriptive. Any historical info out there on who first started using Strainer and Throw-off? I know, that's just the way it is...get used to it. OK, I'll keep my mind busy by surfing ebay and garage sale ads.

[poppy79424]

All I can think of on this is, Musicians have a different mind set than logical people. Artistic or flamboyant or something. Interesting topic anyway!Excited


It gets really hot during the summer here in the SoCal desert so we're cooped up inside the house most of the day....one's mind starts to wonder. This morning mine wondered to this question; why is it called a snare Strainer instead of a snare Tensioner, and why is it a snare Throw-off and not a snare Release? Strainer and Throw-off are perfectly good terms, but Strainer sounds like something my wife uses in the kitchen and Throw-off conjures up the vision of a rather extreme motion. Tensioner and Release seem simpler and more descriptive. Any historical info out there on who first started using Strainer and Throw-off? I know, that's just the way it is...get used to it. OK, I'll keep my mind busy by surfing ebay and garage sale ads.

[drums2xs]

I dont care who you are. there is allways something that one can learn from this sit. and this why i like VDF

[drums2xs]

it dosent matter at what level of drum collecting a persons at. there's allways something new to learn from VDF. this is why VDF is my favorite site.

[cancomic]

DUCO Two Tone Paint ( Dooh - Koh)
Maybe today, as a colloquialism, but originally if the spelling is the same it referred to the coloured lacquer used, it could be solid black..two toned finishes like Slingerlands’s blue and silver (called by the company in its catalogs "antique") had different company designations
Again I have seen two toned finishes called duco and technically they are still correct as they used the coloured lacquer

[cancomic]

It gets really hot during the summer here in the SoCal desert so we're cooped up inside the house most of the day....one's mind starts to wonder. This morning mine wondered to this question; why is it called a snare Strainer instead of a snare Tensioner, and why is it a snare Throw-off and not a snare Release? Strainer and Throw-off are perfectly good terms, but Strainer sounds like something my wife uses in the kitchen and Throw-off conjures up the vision of a rather extreme motion. Tensioner and Release seem simpler and more descriptive. Any historical info out there on who first started using Strainer and Throw-off? I know, that's just the way it is...get used to it. OK, I'll keep my mind busy by surfing ebay and garage sale ads.

the tensioner had little holes to run individual loops of gut,wire silk rope etc. much like your wifes colander

[Red Sparkle Frankenstein]

"Restored". Guys will take apart a drum, clean and detail it, and say they "Restored it". No, that's "Cleaned and detailed it". "Restored" is more like: buy a stripped bass drum shell off Ebay, round up the 10 missing claws and rods, legs, badge, and then rewrap it. It's very satisfiying to detail out a kit, but can we use some more realistic terminology here?:confused::confused::confused::confused:

[poppy79424]

re·store   /rɪˈstɔr, -ˈstoʊr/ Show Spelled
[ri-stawr, -stohr] Show IPA

–verb (used with object), -stored, -stor·ing.
1. to bring back into existence, use, or the like; reestablish: to restore order.
2. to bring back to a former, original, or normal condition, as a building, statue, or painting. 3. to bring back to a state of health, soundness, or vigor.
4. to put back to a former place, or to a former position, rank, etc.: to restore the king to his throne.
5. to give back; make return or restitution of (anything taken away or lost).
6. to reproduce or reconstruct (an ancient building, extinct animal, etc.) in the original state.

"Restored". Guys will take apart a drum, clean and detail it, and say they "Restored it". No, that's "Cleaned and detailed it". "Restored" is more like: buy a stripped bass drum shell off Ebay, round up the 10 missing claws and rods, legs, badge, and then rewrap it. It's very satisfiying to detail out a kit, but can we use some more realistic terminology here?:confused::confused::confused::confused:

[poppy79424]

Example:
I found this old drum kit a guy had piled in his garage. It had a lot of missing parts and needed a few repairs. Taking it all apart and replacing any missing parts with original parts, cleaning everything and reassembling it. It does not have to be down to the bare shell to call it a restoration. I restore cars for a living. Some very old cars still have good original paint but need a lot of other stuff to get it back in nice running order, and the interior...Then theres the ones that have a frame off restoration, which includes refinishing every minute detail on the car. These are worth much more if it still has the original engine, transmission etc..... Rewraped drums arent worth near as much as oriiginal wrapped drums.

[Red Sparkle Frankenstein]

I also have restored many cars. I also know that a rewrapped drum is worth about half as much as an original , but sometimes a drum is that far gone. Guys, sorry that I'm splitting hairs, here. Call it detailed or restored, tomatoe or tomotto. The important thing is that you enjoy making them look their bestSoap Box

[poppy79424]

EXCATLY!.....

The important thing is that you enjoy making them look their bestSoap Box

[drummingbulldog]

So if I am taking the shell of a Gretsch COB, the die-cast hoops, the 8 lugs, but I am ditching the use of a micro and butt in favor of a Trick GS007, does it make me a drum renovator. I am restoring it sort of but I am making it better for me as a players drum. I am going out of my way and being patient by trying to have someone fabricate a retroplate for me so I don't have to drill the shell. That is something I would have skipped in the past and did so. I don't want to put any more extra holes in any more vintage stuff so I have seen the light. I am secretly hoping this drum will be awesome when finished because I probably could have bought a nice, new Gretsch for what I have paid for all the parts separately.