Old mystery cymbals - Help?!

[Twilightzero]

First, I have here an old mystery cymbal I picked up from a friend of mine for a song and a dance. It appears to be quite a few years old and is made of a very soft alloy, so resultingly has a very quiet, low sound. It's fairly thin too but rather heavy for its size/thickness.

The stamp is SUPER with a crescent moon and a star between the points of the moon. Underneath is "Made in Germany".

Can anybody help as to:

A) what the heck it is?

B) roughly what it's worth?

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This one I unsharp masked the logo to make it a bit more readable:
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Second, I have an ooooold little 13" china cymbal I got quite a while ago. It's stamped Made in China and has a very faded inked chinese character on the front. I've heard several people speculate that it could be a very old Wuhan but I'd like a better opinion from those who know such things.

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Anybody who can help, it'd be greatly appreciated!

[backbeatkeeper]

The first cymbal that says "Super" is a Paiste, prices varies according to size, type of cymbal (ride or crash) and condition (cracks or not) They were a entry level line I believe in the 60's.........Second one looks like a Wuhan, and they are not really getting a lot of money, due to the fact they are all over the place, and not the best made cymbal.....

[Twilightzero]

Thank ye muchly, kind sir :)

[the_drum_dad]

Regarding the Paiste Super, as BBK said is it an early budget line made in Germany - not Switzerland. Since they are usually fairly thin they are susceptible to damage and any damage can adversely affect sound. Material wise, I am not sure but there are some that think they are made from B20 bell bronze but I am skeptical. B20 is usually hard and brittle. I am thinking they are made from brass....hence the softness. My opinion value wise - no more than $50 for a 20" ride and less than that for crash/ride or hats. These can be hard to sell on e-bay because of the wide variation in sound quality. People usually want to hear them before buying.