Dec 6, 2010 - Reminder - Sections Closing

[Webmaster]

This is just a reminder that 5 sections of the forum will be closing.

Other web sites are all ready in place if people wish to use them.

We are just working out one last technical issue with one web site.

So by Jan 1, 2011 these sections will no longer allow posts on this forum.

1. Video Section
2,3.4 Buy/Sell/Trade/Wanted
5. General

More information and how it will work in the coming weeks.

David

[Ludwig-dude]

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[drumhack]

I am all for it. I thought I misclicked the other day and got the weather channel forum.....Falling Do

toodles

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[Super B]

I like the video section. I really enjoy the board's music selections. I have been turned on to some really cool music.

[GAR]

I'll miss the Buy/Sell/Trade/Wanted section.
I've been able to buy some hard to find parts, and help out a few guys looking for specific parts as well.

[drumhack]

I'll miss the Buy/Sell/Trade/Wanted section.
I've been able to buy some hard to find parts, and help out a few guys looking for specific parts as well.

One of the largest sources of vintage parts has publicly left the forum anyways, due to another criticizing thread. We will miss him much more than he misses us, I can guarantee that much. There are some who have his contact info but the new guy to the forum loses out on an opportunity to get a hard to find part now. What a shame and a tremendous loss of a good guy and teriffic resource of both parts and information.

I may do some research and get a percentage of parts wanted posts he responded to. I will bet it is a higher percentage than any other three people on here, combined.

(This is just me taking up for Mikey777. I have been holding it back for a couple days until I could find a neutral delivery of my intended message)

toodles

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[GAR]

Yeah, I realize a few threads in these sections have, well, been diverted or gone off the rails.
I think closing them will be a loss for the forum, as a whole.

[Ludwig-dude]

Yeah, I realize a few threads in these sections have, well, been diverted or gone off the rails.
I think closing them will be a loss for the forum, as a whole.

I personally don't think its a loss to the forum. The forum is a place for discussion, not buy and sell. That's what ebay and craiglist are for. Besides, there will be a different site set up through the forum for just that (buying and selling). Didn't anyone read the first post thoroughly?

I think the video section was entertaining, but mostly just a rehash of what anyone can search for on youtube....so kind of pointless to some degree...

Its for the better, I believe.

[Webmaster]

The forum will still remain flexible with content if it is good for the site.

The video section has turned into some pretty silly topics not related to much more then personal likes and dislikes in music. Also posting of content which appears to benefit the poster and not for much more then that is not needed here. There is a site already in place for the video content which I will be linking to in the coming weeks.

Remember, if someone posts a video and wants to know what drums are being shown, that is a post that can stay here. If they are just posting a video for fun, then the video site is just that, a site for all funny drumming stuff, favorite bands, favorite videos, personal videos and other drum content like that. The discussions will be less regulated there in regards to people posting.

There is already a site for the general section up and running and it has been in place for 6 months and is active with general drumming questions. It handles all of the questions that are constantly being asked by new visitors and beginners in the vintage and drumming community.

Once the question comes in there, I handle moving it to the forum or if the person asking the question wants to further the discussion I send them a link to the section to post in here. It has been up for 6 months and almost 300 questions have been answered.

The buy/sell and trade will have a new site and new format for selling based on a nice classified section with options to upgrade listings (for a fee) and other nice features for buying and selling. It is set up with different categories to list items in and is a site just related to selling.

The home page is for special listings for high end sets or items. If a seller wants top spot on the home page they can upgrade to be there for a small fee.

This site is also in place with just one small coding issue we are working out.

Once the system is up and running for 4-6 months then the site will have a new module installed that works exactly like eBay, so sellers have the option of selling in the classified section (which is free) or moving over to the eBay style listings.

All the sites will link together, so once they are all live then anyone can join a site and or all of the sites with the same userID and password. We can also manually set people up in all of the different locations.

On paper it all looks functional and works, but we understand that there will be kinks and issues, so we will work on those as they come up.

More in the coming weeks.

David

[jonrpick]

I'm kinda new here...

Where's the new "General" Section? I just posted in the General forum tonight, not realizing that it was going away. I kinda like the general forum. :(

[rynosaurus]

It's not often that i speak up in this forum even though i see some things going on that i personally believe are childish and disrespectful.

I think that it's absolutely horrible that these sections will be being shut down because of a few bad seeds (if that is the case). This really was a great place to be able to find good deals from fellow vintage drum enthusiasts.

Sure people can say that that's what ebay and craigslist are for but i just felt a little bit more comfortable getting things in here then those places and also a lot of times i could find stuff here that i couldn't find it those places.

So if those sections are being shut down because of those people that just want to whine and complain and act like a 5 year old child then you are just saying "ok, you win". People can just bust in here and be bullies and because of that we lose something that most of us respected and treated right.

It is said that sometimes the loudest thing you can say to someone is nothing at all. I believe that's true. If someone wants to come in here and be a bully i believe it's best to just ignore them and they will not get what they want and go away. If they are doing anything to harm people in this forum by either trying to hurt them physically or scam them then i believe that can be handled too in a civil manner.

Regardless, the fact is that those sections are going to be closed and because of that i will have less and less of a need to be on this forum. I've been seeing this happen in this forum and i just hope that it doesn't dwindle down to nothing and just be a wasteland.

I will, however, (for now anyways) continue to fight for the forum quietly by continuing to post new threads and respond to posts and PMs respectfully and not misuse the power to do so. I know that there are other people on here will do the same and i can only hope that will keep it afloat for a while until bullies beat us down again and continue their take over of this site.

[Webmaster]

Hey rynosaurus

Thanks for the input. I see your perspective and appreciate your thoughts.

Think of the sections as not necessarily shutting down, but transitioning to something better and in the case of buying selling, trade and wanted a system built specifically for that.

With the forum you can make a post and put some photos in, but it was never really set up for a selling system.

If the community sticks together on this, then it should work great. It is no different then us linking to another site, but one we as members are active in.

There will still be a heading on the forum for Buy/Sell/Trade/Wanted which links to the sections on the new site.

The same goes for the video section. If someone wants to post a personal video, or something that is funny, then it will link to that site.

This will keep certain content out of the loop here and active over there.

In the end the goal is to refine the type information here and change the flow of traffic to other places that are set up specifically for that content.

The selling feature has been on the back burner for over 2 years, so it has little to do with the recent problems here and more a way to enhance this forum and also bring in more buyers and sellers.

It does get old with the grown up bickering and the petty back and forth and a reason to get the other sites done faster and set myself a personal deadline.

David

[kevins]

Thanks for that David.....
This is bound to be a good thing.
I know we are a double handful at times to put up with, so if this is better for you in any way, then I am all for it.
Change is always a little uncomfortable at first, but we will all become accustomed to the different way of doing things.
Thanks for all your hard work, and Happy Holidays !!
Kev

[LudwigLover]

i understand why you're removing them David.

once again..we did it to ourselves.

but there's something i don't quite understand..what (in your mind, because i like to think that you have the general idea in your head) direction do you want the forum to go in?

what do you ultimately want the forum to be?

just curious..

[rynosaurus]

David,

I appreciate your reply and i'm sure that everything you are doing is in the best interests of the forum.

I am very thankful that you help provide such a great place for vintage drum enthusiasts to come together.

Your explanation is now helping me see where the site is going and i do look forward to that.

Thanks again and happy holidays!

[Webmaster]

Hey LL

The forum itself was not the first web site. The main Vintage Drum Guide originally called Vintage Snare Drums was the original site that I created to display drums and history.

That grew to a very large size with a lot of traffic and tons of content. Because of that the questions were pouring in. It was very difficult to keep up with the questions and help people in a timely manner alone.

So that is when the forum started. It was a two-fold forum. Send people with questions to get them answered in a way I could keep track of them and also let visitors know when new history and updates were made to the main web site. That is why this section is here and where I post.

Membership is key in making it a success, because I could not answer most of the questions fast enough and that is where other people have stepped in to take up the cause.

All forums go through this exact thing. Once they hit a certain size the content and dynamic change. (that started at least 12-16 months ago) It goes without saying once you add more people to the mix, then more problems begin to arise.

In many cases people migrate from other forums that they no longer want to be a part of and then try and make a new home. It is only a matter of time when past issues find them with former members and the they begin stirring up old wounds.

I'm no rookie to forums and I'm a member of at least 10. Also many
non-drum forums. Forums that are for programs or software have little to no funny business. People want help they get the help and if the admins see anything at all that is not related to getting help, they delete it. No questions asked.

It is the only way to keep advancing the program or software and improving it for new customers.

In retrospect that was the original format of the forum. People ask a question then they get the answer. Rarely anything else was posted.

I originally had a welcome section, a pro drummer section and other sections, but closed them early in the forum. They made no sense to me and I only had them from seeing sections like that on other forums.

Plus many forums have a free-for-all section where anything and any topic can be posted. That is a ticking time bomb....

So I see it as trying to simplify this location and open up others that better serve the community.

As an example here is an email I just got today....

"Hi there. I just wanted to thank you for your site. It was invaluable to me in restoring a newly acquired 1957 Slingerland kit.

Thanks for a wonderful site, the fantastic information, and the service you provide!"

This is what it is all about to me and what is has always been. Providing as much useful information as possible to help people all over the world.

Anything that interferes with that on this forum is really what I want to try and move to a new location.

David

[mcjnic]

Please, hurry. Thanks.

[LudwigLover]

that makes sense David.

thanks for the response.

i look forward to the new direction of the forum.

good luck!

and

God bless!

-shaun