Avedis dating help needed

[ThomasL]

I just got this 22" Avedis and I'm not really able to identify the stamp. The Z and Co are not as deeply pressed as on my trans stamp hats, but it doesn't look like the typical late 50s stamp either:

http://users.tkk.fi/~tlindval/A/EOS_3815s.jpg

http://users.tkk.fi/~tlindval/A/EOS_3817s.jpg

The bell has several irregular spots close to the bridge. Based on the lathing, I'm pretty sure these are original and not dents.

http://users.tkk.fi/~tlindval/A/EOS_3819s.jpg

The bottom lathing is very irregular, varies between wide and narrow with lots of steps:

http://users.tkk.fi/~tlindval/A/EOS_3821s.jpg

The profile:

http://users.tkk.fi/~tlindval/A/EOS_3822s.jpg

Thanks in advance!

[Drumaholic]

I can see why this one would be a bit hard to call, but I once had one like this too. That's a transitional stamp.

[BosLover]

I can see why this one would be a bit hard to call, but I once had one like this too. That's a transitional stamp.

It is a bit odd, but the left and right of the Arabic are impressed as one would expect with a transition stamp. I'm a bit troubled by the the fact the Z and Co are not more impressed thn the rest of the name. The lathing on the bottom looks right, but the lathing on the top side seems a bit deeper and more defined compared to the two trans stamps I own, and other photos I've seen. Perhaps thats just a result of the lighting.

[ThomasL]

I can see why this one would be a bit hard to call, but I once had one like this too. That's a transitional stamp.

Thanks! Is this a different type of transitional stamp, or just a more lightly stamped version of the most common(?) early 50s stamp.

The fact that the Z and Co aren't that deeply impressed could perhaps be because the bottom part of the stamp is very light overall?

[BosLover]

Thanks! Is this a different type of transitional stamp, or just a more lightly stamped version of the most common(?) early 50s stamp.

The fact that the Z and Co aren't that deeply impressed could perhaps be because the bottom part of the stamp is very light overall?

Actually under higher magnification, the Z does look to me as if it may be a bit more depressed. But another issue is that Avedis looks too thick and deep compared to my own examples and all the letters in Zildjian look deeper than other examples of trans I've seen.

[Drumaholic]

Actually under higher magnification, the Z does look to me as if it may be a bit more depressed.

Sorry to hear that. Maybe some Zoloft would be in order.

[Drumaholic]

Thanks! Is this a different type of transitional stamp, or just a more lightly stamped version of the most common(?) early 50s stamp.

The fact that the Z and Co aren't that deeply impressed could perhaps be because the bottom part of the stamp is very light overall?

Here's another example of a trans stamp showing the same characteristics. And this one is not the same sub-type as yours:

http://photos.imageevent.com/drumaholic/kerope/PICT0109.JPG

The fact that the stamping on your cymbal looks as it does is just because as sometimes happens, is simply because it just turns out that way for whatever reason, and we really don't know exactly why. But still examples like these are pretty rare to find.

[BosLover]

Here's another example of a trans stamp showing the same characteristics. And this one is not the same sub-type as yours:

http://photos.imageevent.com/drumaholic/kerope/PICT0109.JPG

The fact that the stamping on your cymbal looks as it does is just because as sometimes happens, is simply because it just turns out that way for whatever reason, and we really don't know exactly why. But still examples like these are pretty rare to find.[/center]

Hey Bill,

Zoloft aside, your example does seem to be a bit more recessed in the Z and Co then that of the original poster's example. The lathing on yours also seems to be a bit finer than on his. I'm not disputing your findings There were a few things I observed that made me think his cymbal might be something else.

[Drumaholic]

Hey Bill,

Zoloft aside, your example does seem to be a bit more recessed in the Z and Co then that of the original poster's example. The lathing on yours also seems to be a bit finer than on his. I'm not disputing your findings There were a few things I observed that made me think his cymbal might be something else.

Depressed, recessed, ....

Personally I favor impressed myself.

But enough of this idle banter about semantics.

You're right about the lathing, But the 4 different sub-types make for different styles of lathing too. So you really can't assume that the trans stamps as a whole necessarily share the same manufacturing characterstics. They are more distinct than similar.

[BosLover]

Depressed, recessed, ....

Personally I favor impressed myself.

But enough of this idle banter about semantics.

You're right about the lathing, But the 4 different sub-types make for different styles of lathing too. So you really can't assume that the trans stamps as a whole necessarily share the same manufacturing characterstics. They are more distinct than similar.

I meant impressed. I guess I'm not thinking straight as a result of the Zoloft. Falling Do The lathing looked more like something from the '60s to me. Maybe it was just the lighting.

[ThomasL]

Thanks again, Bill!

It might be the lighting, the bottom in particular looks nothing like a 60s cymbal in person.

[BosLover]

Thanks again, Bill!

It might be the lighting, the bottom in particular looks nothing like a 60s cymbal in person.

When I commented on the lathing I meant the top. The bottom looked as expected. and very similar to my trans stamps.

[hawghunter]

The one in the middle is a different type of trans stamp that I have not seen many of.

[Drumaholic]

The one in the middle is a different type of trans stamp that I have not seen many of.

Actually that's not all that uncommon as far as trans stamps go. I have one of those and I have also seen quite a few.