Help me date this Pearl badge

[OsakaBop]

This one is not in my 68 or 69 catalog- I looks like a 67 from the interior of the bass drum- I have only a few pages of a 67 catalog and it`s not in there. Anyone know? I think 67 but the badge shouts 69-71 to me. hmmmmSumo Dude
http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn87/Osakabop/600x450-2010030900015.jpg
http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn87/Osakabop/600x327-2010030900013.jpg

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn87/Osakabop/600x450-2010030900014.jpg

[jonnistix]

The script on those badges suggests no later than the mid-late 60s. And the shells, all 3 ply, are great sounding, very resonant shells. I don't think you will find much to later than the 68ish for these types of shells. At least not in the States. Most of the later shells were the thicker 6-9 ply heavy mahogany. These are really nice shells, and look like mine. I have had a few of these 3 ply drums, and the tone is amazing. Anyway, I don't think they are from the 70s. I cant tell from the hardware. Also, could you post some very early Pearl stuff? I am trying to find a cymbal mount similat to mine. I am trying to date these. See pic.
http://www.vintagedrumguide.com/pearl_drumsets_1969.htm
This is the first netion of 9 ply shells.
What are the sizes?

[OsakaBop]

hmmmm... still pondering about this- yes the shells very much say "66-67" to me. However, really- that badge is not a mid -60s script- these black badges were used from 68-around 72 it seems. My 1969 Valencia and my 1970 Challenger have basically identical badges (just different words).
I just would like very much to locate this outfits original catalog page. If I just look at the shells- I say 66-67. If I just look at the badges I would say 69-71. The tom holder mount is the same as 67. Thanks for you r input and ideas Jonni!

[jonnistix]

I guess what I am saying is, these catalog pages, in the link above, go to 69, and it seems all shells are touted as 9 ply.
As for my question to you, I am trying to date my kit, and the cymbal arm clamp/mount is one of the key elements. It has the pipe tom mount, so dating that is no help, I just think the cymbal arm mount is the key. And those shells were used from the late 50s forward, until around 69, it appears.

[OsakaBop]

That bass drum cymbal arm mount you got there`s a beautiful thing and I have not seen one like it in any of the Pearl stuff to date. I will look more.
I thought I had earlier Pearl stuff but it looks like the earliest pics are 66. I had seen some claims of stuff that was 1950s Pearl but going back to them (now with more knowledge of what I`m looking at) - and it looks like 65-67 stuff. I still need to keep digging. I check through every drum auction item in Japan every day that I can. I grab photos and info everywhere I can- so if I see anything with that bass drum cymbal arm I will tell you about it asap.

This Pearl Modern Jazz Kit I would really llike to add to my collection- I put a strong bid on it, so let`s see if I can get a little luckySumo Dude

[OsakaBop]

Here I have found a pic of another Pearl Modern Jazz snare- same badge. This one seriously shows- early 1970s lugs- my 1975 Valencia snare has these same style lugs and the same lettering and badge design. So the shells are seriously old school -circa 66-67 but the badge here indicate early 70s.
http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn87/Osakabop/snare_15.jpg

[jonnistix]

So, you think maybe they pulled some old shells and used them up to create a "Jazz" line? I have seen a 3 ply shell with a Valencia tag here. It is a blue spark shell at the litltle drum shop up the road in OKC. He also has a red spark, 3 ply, but it has a stencil badge on it. Both are 14. He wants 70 for the Valencia, and 45 for the other one, and both are rough. I just can't pay that for them. I know they are hard to find, but that is too much. 35, maybe, not 70, on a good day, and it is just a shell.

[OsakaBop]

I had not thought of that kind of thing- but it may suggest a far fetched idea where they manufactured these like a 1967 shell construction in the early 70`s - maybe people liked that design and thus it got the "modern jazz" label. The sizes are not jazz sizes- 20,12,16, 14x6 - so what`s jazzy about them? I wonder.... I wonder now if that shell design basically as "retro" even then was the selling point of these. Thanks for that idea. Mystery drums. If I do win them - then I will go crazy with them

[jonnistix]

The 20 and 12, are kind of on the jazz side, but yeah, the 16 and 6" deep snare?...
Look at some of the hottest selling Gretsch stuff, 20-12-14, I like those sizes myself...

[OsakaBop]

I love the 20/16/12 sizes myself but I`m refering to the typical 18,12,14 ft that we all think of as the classic jazz sizes. If I were to call a kit a "modern jazz" I would think it would be 18/12/14 but here we see a different idea. I am really gonna try and win these to see what it`s really all about

[jonnistix]

How close are you? I am excited for you. Have ever had any of these 3 ply shells? I really love them. So far these shells have proven to be my faves. The resonance and rumbling tone of the bass an floor tom, the soft slap and vibe from the mounted tom all make for such a really warm sounding kit.flowers2 One thing you will need to be careful of is the ring. I am fighting a ringing overtone on one of mine, but I think at this point it is the choice of heads, and possibly the high tension I have on them. Later today I am going to be working on the tone of tuning on it. The FT and bass are sound good, so maybe I have some edge work to do, soften them from the modern to a more traditional, rounded contour.
Let's see them when you win! Jumping2

[OsakaBop]

The auction got a bit strange and I passed on over-bidding. I bid 350$ and it sold for 360$ - but 350$ was too much IMO. I was the 2nd highest bidder and I won`t be surprised if I get a mail from the seller asking me if I want it- the winning bidder had some bad feedback and has backed out of expensive auctions before. So for now this fish got away but my nets in the water stillCar Driving2

[jonnistix]

That sux. I really think that is a bit high tho. Was it you and Mr. BF from the top down to where you were more comfortable? I guess what I am asking is if he picked up the bid and beat you up from like a 100bucks, or did he sneak in at the end where you were in it with others? The reason I ask is because if you had the bid at a hundred, and can get them for that, I would suggest that is about the real price for these shells, considering you have a bit of work.
I spent about 3 hours yesterday tuning on my drums. I tried high, low in between, everything and I was about to give up, thinking they will not be more than just very pretty, practice drums. Then I thought about the tuning video Bob Gatzen does on the Evans site. So, I went to the bass, I had it sounding OK. Not what I wanted, but not too bad, a bit ringier than I wanted. I followed the video to a tee, now it it is Thor, on steroids. It is pumping an Attack single ply no overtone batter side, a 45+ year old batter with a light coat of spray paint-Rustoleum indoor/outdoor satin, enough to control the the Attack head with no meaningful change to the bearing edge. Then I turned to the floor tom. Again, it is a bit ringy. Not too much, but more than I want. So I tried the bass tuning approach on it, viola, it came right up, again very large and thunderous. Now it is time for the mounted tom, which has really been giving me fits, and I can't stand the ringieness, very high and ear splitting. So, what do I have to lose? I try it again using the bass tuning method on a high tom. Once more, it goes to the spot, sweet as dark honey. So now this kit has found it's tone and lovely, velvety voice. Using Evans' EC2 top and Attack single res, it is a very thunderous kit, not much for range, but remember, these shells have been altered with the addition of the curly maple veneer, effectively making these 4 pl shells. So this kit now has a name. So when I can afford to invest in more heads, I will again do some tuning. I really don't want to ruin the aesthetic value of the new veneer interiors by putting Ambassadors or Emperors, or any other coateds, so if you, or anyone for that matter, has any suggestions, I am open. But since I really love thunder, I don't know that I will change much about them, other than maybe the resos...and then maybe to snare bottoms, as I have found the Evans Hazy reso heads to work nicely for these old drums, and the 200 or heavier are the ones. I know, but they just work so well.....
Anyway, if you manage to get the second chance on them, let me know, I have some success with these shells. If you have some of them, you know, if not, they are nice. One good thing is there is enough room the experiment a little bit with the edges. I like the old school, rounder type on these thin shells. And I have also coated the interiors with lacquer, and I will do this with all of my thinner shells from now on, as for the MIJ shells. It just adds a character to them, and new resonance that will allow them to live and breathe for another 50 years.

[OsakaBop]

Thanks man- we are fisherman and some will get away- the first rule of auction is know what you aren`t willing to pay and stick to it. I won`t bid 1cent over my decided limit- otherwise it`s a merry-go-round, ya know?

I really find these old luan shells like Remo Fiberskyn 3 FAs. top and bottom if you can- very warm and controls that ring.

[cn679]

Here is an old Pearl badge that I haven't seen before. Any ideas on this one?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Pearl-Vintage-white-pearl-60s-Snare-drum_W0QQitemZ180444420497QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVintg ae_Drums_Percussion?hash=item2a03535991

[OsakaBop]

I haven`t seen that particular one either- thanks for posting! very cool to see that. I have another unusual one here from 1968:
http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn87/Osakabop/20100315233743.jpg

Pearl seemed to have been experimenting alot.Cool1

[jonnistix]

Here is an old Pearl badge that I haven't seen before. Any ideas on this one?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Pearl-Vintage-white-pearl-60s-Snare-drum_W0QQitemZ180444420497QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVintg ae_Drums_Percussion?hash=item2a03535991

First of all, go snag the pix and post them. Second, that is 120 more than the snare is or was ever worth. 40-50 is all the money, I don't care how clean or "newish" it is, it ain't a 170.00 drum. Period.