4 new Old Zildjians

[poppy79424]

I have recently aquired 4 new old Zildjians. #1 is a 21" ride #2 is a 16" Crash, # 3 is a 15" bottom hat and #4 is a 15" top hat.
#1 (21") weighs 2004 grams, #2 (16")weighs 1140 grams. #3 (15") weighs 1416 grams, #4 (15") weighs 942 Grams. The pics are in order. 1-4 The 2 15" hats have different logos

[warwormx]

That is very very cool. Cool1 I too use Zildjian cymbals. Those are beautiful looking. You are lucky to have them in my opinion. How did you get them?

[poppy79424]

I got the 21" with a Premier Kit I acquired a a little while back. I got the other 3 from a guy that beat me to a Hugh pile of drums on craigslist for nothing. I just wonder how old they are?

[warwormx]

is the logo stamped on? or painted on?

is it lighter than the modern Zildjian cymbal?

[poppy79424]

The logo is stamped on and Im not a expert here, but some of these guys on here are. I have learned so much on this forum its incredible!

[warwormx]

I know! haha its amazing. I'm no expert either but I've been learning. I am taking an educated guess that your cymbals are in fact vintage. After the 1980's they began painting their logo on. So since yours is a stamp... it is older than the 80's (so atleast 30 years old). And they are from Turkey which doesn't really matter but that's very cool in my opinion. You have really good cymbals there. I'm jealous haha. Do you mind me asking how much you paid for them?

[poppy79424]

Well I may not be an expert or educated either, but I believe all zildjian cymbals have a stamped logo on them. I could be wrong, I have been wrong before, according to my ex wife I am always wrong! lol. I have some newer Zildjian Cymbals and they all have the logo stamped on them as well as a printed logo as well. What school are you going to?

[poppy79424]

Did you even look at the pics of the logos? Every one of them say "Made IN the USA. They are Turkish Cymbals, made in the USA. What Planet are you from buddy? Isn't it your bed time?

I know! haha its amazing. I'm no expert either but I've been learning. I am taking an educated guess that your cymbals are in fact vintage. After the 1980's they began painting their logo on. So since yours is a stamp... it is older than the 80's (so atleast 30 years old). And they are from Turkey which doesn't really matter but that's very cool in my opinion. You have really good cymbals there. I'm jealous haha. Do you mind me asking how much you paid for them?

[drumbum3131]

Last one looks 50's the rest look from the 70's

[Jaye]

#1 - '60's #2 - '70's #3 - '60's #4 - '50's BTW - Beautiful weights !!

[poppy79424]

Alright!!!! there is intellegent life out there!

[poppy79424]

You guys are like Emerril and bobby flay!! (Legends in your own minds!)
J?K My DDD has come back. Workin on drums is the only thing that helps me cope with my DDD

[OsakaBop]

Just want to say congrats on the four special scores. I love 15" hats and those old grandmas I`m sure sound wonderfulCool1

[warwormx]

Did you even look at the pics of the logos? Every one of them say "Made IN the USA. They are Turkish Cymbals, made in the USA. What Planet are you from buddy? Isn't it your bed time?

Oh whoops. I was looking at pictures from other thread and I think I got them mixed up. By the way im new to drumming give me a break

[poppy79424]

I wasnt trying to offend you. I was just havin a little fun. This forum is an excellent place to learn about vintage drums. Many of these guy have a wealth of information at your disposal, but There's a lot of cocky personalities on here also. That's not a bad thing. Keep an open mind and have a sense of humor, because you're gonna need it, if you hang out here. One suggestion I have, is to do a search on something your interested in learning about. Then, when you start asking questions, you will already have a little background info on the subject and sound intillegent. This is a awesome place for a drummer to be!
PS Welcome to the Forum!

Oh whoops. I was looking at pictures from other thread and I think I got them mixed up. By the way im new to drumming give me a break

[warwormx]

I wasnt trying to offend you. I was just havin a little fun. This forum is an excellent place to learn about vintage drums. Many of these guy have a wealth of information at your disposal, but There's a lot of cocky personalities on here also. That's not a bad thing. Keep an open mind and have a sense of humor, because you're gonna need it, if you hang out here. One suggestion I have, is to do a search on something your interested in learning about. Then, when you start asking questions, you will already have a little background info on the subject and sound intillegent. This is a awesome place for a drummer to be!
PS Welcome to the Forum!

Oh ok hah im sorry. I have a sense of humor but its hard to see it when its typed out hah. And I'll be sure to do that. Thanks a lot for the welcome

[Jaye]

Actually it's not that uncommon a mistake. People make it all the time.....

Ya' gotta admit, that's pretty strange semantics on the trademark:

"Genuine Turkish Cymbals, Made in USA"....

So....wha ?....they are Turkish.....and..... American ? If they are Made in USA....aren't they... American ?
If they are Turkish....wouldn't they have been made in...oh, I dunno.....Turkey ?

"they are Turkish cymbals made in the USA"......Always seemed a bit odd to me.....



PS ~ sounding intelligent is waaaay overrated.....

[warwormx]

PS ~ sounding intelligent is waaaay overrated.....

LoLoLoLo hahaha thanks man

[poppy79424]

your right, could be very misleading.

Actually it's not that uncommon a mistake. People make it all the time.....

Ya' gotta admit, that's pretty strange semantics on the trademark:

"Genuine Turkish Cymbals, Made in USA"....

So....wha ?....they are Turkish.....and..... American ? If they are Made in USA....aren't they... American ?
If they are Turkish....wouldn't they have been made in...oh, I dunno.....Turkey ?

"they are Turkish cymbals made in the USA"......Always seemed a bit odd to me.....



PS ~ sounding intelligent is waaaay overrated.....

[4MoreYearsOhNo]

#1 - '60's #2 - '70's #3 - '60's #4 - '50's BTW - Beautiful weights !!

Can you say what differences you see between #2 (70's) and #4 (50's) - other than that the bottom of the stamp in #4 is not as deep?

I'm not being argumentative - I'm trying to figure out the diff.

[poppy79424]

I know what you mean. Someone like jaye or drumaholic can read the zildjian logos like we read the alphabet. Im still trying to learn all this.
Jaye sent me a PDF document that explains a lot about Zildjian Cymbal Dating. It is very informative.

[drumhack]

I know what you mean. Someone like jaye or drumaholic can read the zildjian logos like we read the alphabet. Im still trying to learn all this.
Jaye sent me a PDF document that explains a lot about Zildjian Cymbal Dating. It is very informative.


How do we know that they really know what they know, though, if we never knew in the first place?

[poppy79424]

Good point!How do we know that they really know what they know, though, if we never knew in the first place?

[mcjnic]

I think it's a club you have to be invited to join. We can only peer out our windows and gaze longingly at the fabulous gate of entry. I hear they have uber cool rings, too. Man, this sucks. Like I need another club to be ostricized from.
My favorite Groucho line: "I'd like to join a club and beat you over the head with it."
Second fave: "I'd never belong to a club that would have me as a member."

[Jaye]

Mmmmm - actually McJ - at our Round Table in the under the ol' water tower last night - we had all decided we were gonna send you the keys to the clubhouse (along wth initiation instructions)- but - this recent regrettable outburst DOH - ummmmmm - changes things :( As Poppy noted - l have an old article penned\published by Drumaholic a while ago - he's really the master of Zildjian stamp lD - nobody on the planet has spent more time researching and confirming than he - the guy has so many old archives & clips from yesteryear it's insane (also - he and l spent way too much time\energy on that cymbal forum - a place which initially seems cool until you realize how noxious many of the older members are). This place is a far better Forum. l'd be happy to send the article to anyone here who would like it (well - almost anyone). For the most part there are really only a few telltale signs which tip-off the era (and sometimes you have to compare stamp to hammering\lathing patterns also) BTW - the diff between #2 and #4 is - they are a tad different

[mcjnic]

OUTburst??? Surely you're not speaking of that wonderfully witty and inanely dry bit of dribble scribed last night whilst tipping the glass fantastic...are you?
I was obviously not myself. It was ... oh man. Can I PLEEEEEEEEZE have the key???? I'll be good I'll be good. Promise!

If you like, you could email me the doc. That would be sweet. Then, I would have the POWER over man and beast alike. mmmmmmm.....power. so cold and yet so satisfying. mmmmmmmmmmm.........

for real. could you email me the doc?

[poppy79424]

I just reread this and its just pretty dam funny! I dont care who you are!

OUTburst??? Surely you're not speaking of that wonderfully witty and inanely dry bit of dribble scribed last night whilst tipping the glass fantastic...are you?
I was obviously not myself. It was ... oh man. Can I PLEEEEEEEEZE have the key???? I'll be good I'll be good. Promise!

If you like, you could email me the doc. That would be sweet. Then, I would have the POWER over man and beast alike. mmmmmmm.....power. so cold and yet so satisfying. mmmmmmmmmmm.........

for real. could you email me the doc?

[BosLover]

is the logo stamped on? or painted on?

is it lighter than the modern Zildjian cymbal?

All Zildjian cymbals have stamps. More modern ones also have large inked logos in addition. They are separate features and you're confusing the two. Older cymbals sometimes can also be seem with inked model names or weights such as "Medium Ride"

[Pounder]

I'm not seeing any difference between 2 and 4. Sorry. Wait a sec, I looked at them together and they look slightly different. The thing that is bothersome is the surface of (especially) picture 2's cymbal appears to have been abrasively cleaned, like with a brillo pad or something.